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12/27/07 16:00
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#148800 - Nobody said anything about a protocol
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Jim Deas said:
RE,

Yea, it's a modulation scheme but I don't know of a UART with a 2x clock out. Guess you could run a PLL off the data stream to create the clock but this is again difficult to get right the first time.
It would be easier just to do it with a timer and timercapture unit if you went down that route. Even with this I would be worried about the maximum speed you could obtain over such a crummy cable.
The modem scheme has so much more to offer in a single chip. Equalizer, error correction, fall back speeds, compression, etc. No need to reinvent to wheel. These chips are very mature technology.

JD


If he operates his 805x UART in mode0, and takes the clock that produces and doubles it (flipflops come in pairs, don't they?) He can then double the clock with one flipflop and use that to generate the AMI. How he drives the cable will be pretty much up to him anyway. He's certainly got to make some choices if he's going to run his line over 4 km. If he's imposing any protocol on his comm's, he hasn't mentioned it, and AMI doesn't require one or another protocol. There's a reason the world's telecom systems use AMI for so long, just as there's a reason the telecom companies required a repeater every 4000 feet of cable. These problems have been solved, but there's no reason to assume it will be easy. Further, there's no reason to assume that the original query involved a protocol of any sort. After all, if he can't reliably receive at the remote end what he's sent at the local, a protocol won't help.

RE








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Line driver IC            01/01/70 00:00      
   Telephone lines?            01/01/70 00:00      
   Slower analog solution..            01/01/70 00:00      
   That's a job for a transfomer!            01/01/70 00:00      
      line driver            01/01/70 00:00      
         Missing the point            01/01/70 00:00      
            Eh?? What is            01/01/70 00:00      
               Modem?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Think Telco even if it's not            01/01/70 00:00      
               Have you read the datasheet?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Not the modem speed            01/01/70 00:00      
                  What datasheet??????            01/01/70 00:00      
                     That is the datasheet            01/01/70 00:00      
                        I mentioned the chips and you say I havnt            01/01/70 00:00      
               No, you don't            01/01/70 00:00      
         Xformer only            01/01/70 00:00      
            at this low data rate (9600 bps) he could use AMI            01/01/70 00:00      
               AMI protocol            01/01/70 00:00      
                  who said anything about protocol?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Difficult and with few software options            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Nobody said anything about a protocol            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Getting ahead of the questions            01/01/70 00:00      
                              fact is ... we don't have the information ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Spare wire is already there . We do not            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Getting ahead of the questions            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 What type of wire and what environment?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 please stop this mistreatment of a word            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    A Protocol is a set of guidelines or rules.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Apologies , I meant CODEC nor protocols            01/01/70 00:00      
         I am not sure...            01/01/70 00:00      
   27 or more solutions exist ...            01/01/70 00:00      
      ~9600bps            01/01/70 00:00      
         9600 is tough at that distance, so            01/01/70 00:00      
            Tough?            01/01/70 00:00      
               Not Tough? but costly.            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Still missing the point            01/01/70 00:00      
      He did specify the data rate            01/01/70 00:00      
         Where to apply modulation schemes when            01/01/70 00:00      
            Oh yes you have!            01/01/70 00:00      
            Driver/interface            01/01/70 00:00      
   no            01/01/70 00:00      
   Maxim Preemph RS-422 driver            01/01/70 00:00      
      FEET            01/01/70 00:00      
         speed and distance still apply            01/01/70 00:00      
            a pretty fancy rf link would fit the cable budget            01/01/70 00:00      
               Reverse engineer these            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Reverse engineer these            01/01/70 00:00      
                     buy one and find out            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Seems simple enough!            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Why not            01/01/70 00:00      
                     No black (box) magic methinks            01/01/70 00:00      
                        an other blackbox            01/01/70 00:00      
                           current loop vs balanced signal lines            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Have you ever heard of the teletype?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Bell system teletypes            01/01/70 00:00      
                              10...15years ago            01/01/70 00:00      

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