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10/03/07 20:59
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#145335 - yes
Responding to: ???'s previous message
I'm 41. I have wire-wrapped enough boards to know that I hate it. As a young engineer, I did a project using Cypress PALs and an async FIFO chip and it was wirewrapped, and had serious issues with double-clocking. The data sheets for the PAL said, "do not use wire wrap as the CMOS edge rates are much faster than LSTTL." I guess Cypress was right and much games were played with termination to get it to work. Interestingly enough, swapping in an AMD FIFO chip in place of the Cypress part improved performance. I know I spent more time dicking around with the board, trying to get it to work, than it would have cost to have a proper PCB done.

Friends have a recording studio here in town, and they have a Neve 8128 console. The cross-point and the digital switching are all down on 6U wire-wrap cards. The docs for the desk even include a print-out of the wire list. A lot of that stuff is all 4000B-series CMOS. Yikes. We've talked about replacing the Z80-based computer board and all of the control stuff (which is dodgy) with a new PCB for the bus assignment switches, muting and control, and add a modern micro with USB so the whole thing could also be run from a computer. Problem is that the console really doesn't sound all that great and the cost of retrofit exceeds what the desk is worth.

-a

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TopicAuthorDate
Wednesday survey            01/01/70 00:00      
   Yes            01/01/70 00:00      
      huh            01/01/70 00:00      
         I do!            01/01/70 00:00      
            can you two please hint on tag-strips?            01/01/70 00:00      
               The clue is in the name            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Another hint            01/01/70 00:00      
         nor do I!            01/01/70 00:00      
         nor do I!            01/01/70 00:00      
         "Printed" Circuit Boards            01/01/70 00:00      
            Tagstrips!            01/01/70 00:00      
   Yes            01/01/70 00:00      
      Pictures coming            01/01/70 00:00      
   Yes            01/01/70 00:00      
      Multi-layer            01/01/70 00:00      
         I do not know the reason, but I experienced            01/01/70 00:00      
            It was commonly done by hand for one-offs            01/01/70 00:00      
               Not Always            01/01/70 00:00      
                  true, however            01/01/70 00:00      
         Improved reliability            01/01/70 00:00      
   Yes            01/01/70 00:00      
   yes            01/01/70 00:00      
   yes            01/01/70 00:00      
   Not just for rapid prototyping ...            01/01/70 00:00      
      NASA used it too!            01/01/70 00:00      
   Yes            01/01/70 00:00      
   Old enough to remember delivering Machine Wrap            01/01/70 00:00      
      in a week or so ...            01/01/70 00:00      
      modified wrap            01/01/70 00:00      
   re:survey            01/01/70 00:00      
      another 10 points            01/01/70 00:00      
         IDCs used for IDB? Maybe?            01/01/70 00:00      
         re:IDC            01/01/70 00:00      
            DIL sockets?            01/01/70 00:00      
               re:DIL            01/01/70 00:00      
                  I remember these            01/01/70 00:00      
                     I agree            01/01/70 00:00      
                        there were several influences            01/01/70 00:00      
                  but this looks like - OK let's call it DIP...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Density            01/01/70 00:00      
                        this is beyond my imagination            01/01/70 00:00      
                           skipped slots            01/01/70 00:00      
                              In some backplanes, they interfere            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Oh I see. Thanks.            01/01/70 00:00      
               DIL = DIP            01/01/70 00:00      
   How many points for these?            01/01/70 00:00      
      +10 points each...            01/01/70 00:00      
      How about "multiwire"            01/01/70 00:00      
         I remember those            01/01/70 00:00      
            i remember multiwire            01/01/70 00:00      
               Same as wirestitch and stitchweld            01/01/70 00:00      
   yes            01/01/70 00:00      
   Some serious wire-wrapping for you...            01/01/70 00:00      
      thanks            01/01/70 00:00      
      I see the wires, but where's the wrapping?            01/01/70 00:00      
         WHAT??? You want details?            01/01/70 00:00      
         some wirewrapping here...            01/01/70 00:00      
            God all mighty            01/01/70 00:00      
               and how much time doe is take...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Low cost, high volume wire wrapping            01/01/70 00:00      

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