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02/28/07 07:53
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#133915 - Its much clear now.
Responding to: ???'s previous message

The PDF file is highly useful. Thank You.

Joe said:

But maybe this will help it make a bit more sense as you study those basics and wonder why. That's my hope anyway.

Yes. mainly because of that i.e., to know how those OpAmp functions are practically used for a particular design, i started this thread :)
Thank You.

Andy said:

Current is said to flow from the more-positive potential to the more-negative terminal.


Joe said:

Maybe that's his confusion.


Yes. Got confused with that negative voltages.
Now got cleared with Kai and Andy's replies.

Kai said:

Due to the internal high gain, an input difference voltage of some millivolts is enough to drive the output into saturation

So if i give say 0.5Vdc at '+' input and 0Vdc at '-' input (excluding DC Characteristics since it should be compensated) without any feedback for gain adjustment and i use a bipolar supply of +/-10V, then i would get an output voltage of +10Vdc (voltage output) that sources some amount of current which a datasheet would say. Is it correct?

Then,
Kai said:

When the output of a standard OPamp, like TL072, goes low (means if the "-" input is some millivolts more positive than the "+" input), it emits an output voltage of about -14V (without load), when the OPamp is supplied by a +-15V supply. Again, the output is guaranteed to generate at least -10V across a load of 2k, connected from output to 0V. So, you can let a current of at least 10V / 2kOhm = 5mA flow into the output, means out of 0V, through the 2k load and into the output. This load current is finally flowing through the Vcc- terminal of OPamp to the -15V supply, by the way.

Thank You. Its very simple to understand with this Kai.
But then, above you have said "at least -10V across a load of 2k,".
My doubt is why do you say "atleast -10V" when the output voltage is going to be -14V(which would fall on 2k)when the '-' input is higher than '+' input?

Finally,

i took up a circuit for analysing.,



In the above circuit, iam clear with the Symmetric square wave generation.
But for Asymmetric Square wave generation, a voltage source need to added as shown the diagram.
I couldnt analyse how it changes to asymmetric with that voltage source and what would be the voltage drop at R3 for a particular voltage set with that voltage source.

Willing to get some information with this.

regard's
Suresh.







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TopicAuthorDate
Understanding OpAmp Circuits.            01/01/70 00:00      
   start with the basics ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Historical aspect            01/01/70 00:00      
   Current directions            01/01/70 00:00      
      Maybe that's his confusion.            01/01/70 00:00      
         picky, picky,            01/01/70 00:00      
            Conventional Current Flow            01/01/70 00:00      
               But WHAT is flowing?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Please elaborate.            01/01/70 00:00      
                     The >cause< is flowing...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        A suggestion.            01/01/70 00:00      
                           What do you think?            01/01/70 00:00      
                              capacitors            01/01/70 00:00      
               I see            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Its much clear now.            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Some answers...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        reply to Answers...            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Figure 9            01/01/70 00:00      
                              It helped me finding out the answers...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 It's there...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Just liked to make it clear..            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       How I would design it            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          if my load is resistive ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Datasheet is a bit incomplete            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                clear till now...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                if input is current? then output??            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Current to voltage converter            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      Hhm...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         I stand corrected            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Mechanism of negative feed back            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      Thank You!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         A bit more details are needed            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            Not for Application. Just learning.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               Answers            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  gain calculation??            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     Compensation Techniques...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                        Answers III            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                           ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                           Offset nulling in low cost OpAmps..            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                              nulling an LM358?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                 Opamps with Offset null pins?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                    CMRR            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                       Let me consider an example..            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                          link            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                             Thank you.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                       start with the definition and go from there            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                          whether offset can be calculated using a formula.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                             Calculation of Offset due to common mode voltage            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                                Exactly !            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                                   But to be true i got help from a person and...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     Answers II            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                        corrected circuit of Instrumentation Amplifier            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                           Gain is still 19!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                              regarding 2K & CMRR            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                 Sources and Solutions            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                 The idea of having a common ground...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  VREF            01/01/70 00:00      
   It is quite simple...            01/01/70 00:00      
   op-amp golden rules            01/01/70 00:00      
      First things first:            01/01/70 00:00      
         Always??            01/01/70 00:00      
      an addition            01/01/70 00:00      
         That's not really op-amp specific.            01/01/70 00:00      
            true, the interesting fact here is            01/01/70 00:00      
         Hardly...            01/01/70 00:00      
            I've done it            01/01/70 00:00      
               Do you remember which one?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  not really            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Although most OPamp can withstand shorts...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Op-Amp Simulator            01/01/70 00:00      
      cant run 16 bit windows program :(            01/01/70 00:00      
         Try LT Spice            01/01/70 00:00      

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