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02/28/07 01:35
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#133902 - It is quite simple...
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Suresh said:
I could not get a clear picture of the current directions at the output of Opamp for a particular type of input and hence could not analyse the possible ways by which a load or any other device could be connected to it thus making the effective use of input.

It's quite simple: If the "+" input is more positive than the "-" input, then the output goes high.

Why?
Because the internal ciruitry "measures" the difference "+" - "-" and amplifies the result by a huge gain (about 100000). And if the "+" input is more positive than the "-" input, the difference is positive and the output goes high.

Vice versa: If the input difference voltage is negative, means if the "-" input is more positive than the "+" input, then the output goes low.

Due to the internal high gain, an input difference voltage of some millivolts is enough to drive the output into saturation.

What the output actually does, when it "goes high" or "goes low" depends on the internal circuitry. Most OPamps provide a voltage output. Means, when the output of a TL072, e.g., goes high, it emits about +14V (without load), when the OPamp is supplied by a +-15V supply. The output is guaranteed to generate at least 10V across a load of 2k connected from output to 0V. So, you can let a current of at least 10V / 2kOhm = 5mA flow out of the output, means out of the output, through the 2k load and into 0V. This load current is originally flowing from the +15V supply into the Vcc+ terminal of OPamp, by the way.

When the output of a standard OPamp, like TL072, goes low (means if the "-" input is some millivolts more positive than the "+" input), it emits an output voltage of about -14V (without load), when the OPamp is supplied by a +-15V supply. Again, the output is guaranteed to generate at least -10V across a load of 2k, connected from output to 0V. So, you can let a current of at least 10V / 2kOhm = 5mA flow into the output, means out of 0V, through the 2k load and into the output. This load current is finally flowing through the Vcc- terminal of OPamp to the -15V supply, by the way.

Most OPamps withstand short circuits at their output, because they contain an internal output current limiter, which limits the output current to roughly about +-20mA for the TL072 (both directions). So, when trying to let flow more current out or into of the OPamp's output the output voltage more and more decreases and finally breaks down.

Many applications don't like the negative output voltages standard bipolarily supplied (+-15V) OPamps generate. For these applications the industry designed unipolar supplied OPamps, like the LM324, which can have the Vcc- terminal connected to 0V. These OPamps are able to generate output voltages, which are very close to 0V, when the output goes low. A standard TL072 cannot do this, because its output circuitry is different.

Another methode to block negative output voltages at the output of OPamp is the use of diodes or similar stuff in series to the output.

There are also OPamps, which generate an output current instead of an output voltage, like the CA3080 or LM13700, for instance. These devices are better called OTA (Operational Transconductance Amplifier). But that's another story...

Kai

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Understanding OpAmp Circuits.            01/01/70 00:00      
   start with the basics ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Historical aspect            01/01/70 00:00      
   Current directions            01/01/70 00:00      
      Maybe that's his confusion.            01/01/70 00:00      
         picky, picky,            01/01/70 00:00      
            Conventional Current Flow            01/01/70 00:00      
               But WHAT is flowing?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Please elaborate.            01/01/70 00:00      
                     The >cause< is flowing...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        A suggestion.            01/01/70 00:00      
                           What do you think?            01/01/70 00:00      
                              capacitors            01/01/70 00:00      
               I see            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Its much clear now.            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Some answers...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        reply to Answers...            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Figure 9            01/01/70 00:00      
                              It helped me finding out the answers...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 It's there...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Just liked to make it clear..            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       How I would design it            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          if my load is resistive ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Datasheet is a bit incomplete            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                clear till now...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                if input is current? then output??            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Current to voltage converter            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      Hhm...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         I stand corrected            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Mechanism of negative feed back            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      Thank You!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         A bit more details are needed            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            Not for Application. Just learning.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               Answers            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  gain calculation??            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     Compensation Techniques...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                        Answers III            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                           ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                           Offset nulling in low cost OpAmps..            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                              nulling an LM358?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                 Opamps with Offset null pins?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                    CMRR            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                       Let me consider an example..            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                          link            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                             Thank you.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                       start with the definition and go from there            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                          whether offset can be calculated using a formula.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                             Calculation of Offset due to common mode voltage            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                                Exactly !            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                                   But to be true i got help from a person and...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     Answers II            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                        corrected circuit of Instrumentation Amplifier            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                           Gain is still 19!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                              regarding 2K & CMRR            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                 Sources and Solutions            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                 The idea of having a common ground...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  VREF            01/01/70 00:00      
   It is quite simple...            01/01/70 00:00      
   op-amp golden rules            01/01/70 00:00      
      First things first:            01/01/70 00:00      
         Always??            01/01/70 00:00      
      an addition            01/01/70 00:00      
         That's not really op-amp specific.            01/01/70 00:00      
            true, the interesting fact here is            01/01/70 00:00      
         Hardly...            01/01/70 00:00      
            I've done it            01/01/70 00:00      
               Do you remember which one?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  not really            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Although most OPamp can withstand shorts...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Op-Amp Simulator            01/01/70 00:00      
      cant run 16 bit windows program :(            01/01/70 00:00      
         Try LT Spice            01/01/70 00:00      

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