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09/13/06 17:20
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#124227 - These things are not necessary ...
Responding to: ???'s previous message
They're nice, but not necessary. I've been using RC resets on microprocessors and microcontrollers as long as there have been such things, and, frankly, I've never encountered the sorts of difficulties that have been discussed here. If one carefully reads the specifications of the device in question, and they do vary considerably from device to device, one quickly sees what's needed in order to effect a good reset from just the RC circuit. I think what confuses many people is that 805x's have a positivie-going reset, for which we have to thank our friends at Intel.

The manufacturers haven't made this easy. Here's an example of a reset voltage specification and "note."

PARAMETER SYMBOL
Reset Trip Point (Min Operating Voltage) (Notes 2, 3, 4) VRST
MIN TYP MAX UNITS
3.95 4.125 4.35 V

(3) The user should note that this part is tested and guaranteed to operate down to 4.5V (10%) and that VRST (min) is specified below
that point. This indicates that there is a range of voltages [(VMIN to VRST (min)] where the processor’s operation is not guaranteed, but
the reset trip point has not been reached. This should not be an issue in most applications, but should be considered when proper
operation must be maintained at all times. For these applications, it may be desirable to use a more accurate external reset.


To me, this says that you might be satisfied with occasional circuit failure. I, personally, wouldn't, though. True enough, these guys sell supervisors and reset circuits, so they may have a vested interest.

Here's one from SIEMENS.
Input high voltage to RESET V IH2 0.6 VCC VCC + 0.5V


Some of these devices have negative-going reset, and some have positivie-going reset.

The reset circuit uses an RC to tell it that a reset is happening. I believe I've seen as many misapplications of reset circuits as I have of RC reset circuits.

Quite frankly, I think it would work just as well to use a Schmidt-trigger as any of the low-cost reset circuits.

I'm persuaded that, while reset chips can be used quite effectively, they're mostly used as an excuse not to read and interpret the reset spec's of the MCU in question. I haven't bought 'em, so I don't know where they fit in the pricing scheme of things. I suspect they cost more than a couple of Schmidt-gates and an RC circuit, though.

Perhaps it's time this subject got a rigorous treatment here.

RE


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   How do Quasi-Bidirectional I/O ports work?            01/01/70 00:00      
      ... and cross-linked...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Space            01/01/70 00:00      
            RE:Space            01/01/70 00:00      
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               Might have to !            01/01/70 00:00      
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   Does output logic "low" represent 0V?            01/01/70 00:00      
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                  Cheer up...            01/01/70 00:00      
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   What will happen when I use an RC (or C only) rese            01/01/70 00:00      
      What reset ICs are good for '51s?            01/01/70 00:00      
         These things are not necessary ...            01/01/70 00:00      
            You've opened a can of worms now!            01/01/70 00:00      
            you do not use internal flash, do you?            01/01/70 00:00      
               it's broken            01/01/70 00:00      
            can of worms            01/01/70 00:00      
               Something interesting ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  to reset or not to reset            01/01/70 00:00      
                     It's cheaper and easier to use the linear PSU            01/01/70 00:00      
                        then you better get a separate supply            01/01/70 00:00      
                           That's exactly correct!            01/01/70 00:00      
                              why don't they put in GOOD resets?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 The RESET circuit on the Maxim/Dallas parts            01/01/70 00:00      
                              you are TOTALLY missing the point            01/01/70 00:00      
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                                 depends on what your definition of "it" is            01/01/70 00:00      
                           battery            01/01/70 00:00      
                              I think we know enough ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 resets, power sources            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 answered above            01/01/70 00:00      
                        spec for RC            01/01/70 00:00      
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                        it's just another temper tantrum from Erik            01/01/70 00:00      
                           it is not the age it is the speed            01/01/70 00:00      
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                                 if I did not need the speed, I would use a cheaper            01/01/70 00:00      
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                                          it's 192, not ONE            01/01/70 00:00      
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                                                Of course it is, but YOU changed the subject            01/01/70 00:00      
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      not to your advantage, i think            01/01/70 00:00      
   FAQ on ADC            01/01/70 00:00      
   while waiting for a needed device            01/01/70 00:00      
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         will add that in the next minute, thanks            01/01/70 00:00      
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   a good FAQ or other means would be            01/01/70 00:00      
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