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01/02/12 15:57
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#185261 - RC resets are evul
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Adam Collins said:
Lol.Funny but u got a point. But I am new to all this. But thanks for the tips! and what do you mean"asking for it" as in something will fail without the vdd and with rc??

Selecting a "cheap" design, that cuts lots of corners, means that you end up with a design that "may" work. It may "look" like it works, except that in real life, the probability of big problems exists.

RC designs often fails when you have a power glitch or the power button bounces or the PSU have slow ramp-up or ramp-down of the voltage. A design that contains flash memory is extremely sensitive to a lost or incorrect reset, or to getting slow voltage ramps while the reset signal isn't held - it's very easy to get corrupt memory content.

A 3-pin reset chip is a cheap investment to get a well-working product that you can trust reasonably well.

Unless the processors happens to have special hardware on the inside of the reset pin (and you don't use other chips requiring a reset in your design), you really should not use a RC-based reset. And the chip manufacturers should be shot for publishing RC-based reset circuits. You get a solution where customer A says it always works. And customer B says the unit fails to boot 8 times out of 10. Just because there are some differences to their power supply behaviour that makes one customer almost always getting a "good enough" reset, while customer B almost never gets a "good enough" reset.

It might even work 100 of 100 when tested in a laboratory, just because you had a good PSU, a good power switch and tested in room temperature.

List of 32 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
AT89S52 and ISP problem            01/01/70 00:00      
   Quick Schematic Obversation            01/01/70 00:00      
      hmm            01/01/70 00:00      
         Your Reset Input            01/01/70 00:00      
            Thanks!!            01/01/70 00:00      
   Your schematic is wrong            01/01/70 00:00      
   The AT89S52 needs a reset chip!            01/01/70 00:00      
      The AVRISP-2 is a USB device            01/01/70 00:00      
   what an AWFUL design            01/01/70 00:00      
      Isn't mine!            01/01/70 00:00      
         Compare several schematics            01/01/70 00:00      
            Thanks!!            01/01/70 00:00      
               Sink or source? Does matter a lot!            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Not granted            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Processor can be used            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Yeah..            01/01/70 00:00      
                     cure for ignorance            01/01/70 00:00      
         you forgot the quotes            01/01/70 00:00      
         well            01/01/70 00:00      
            Funny            01/01/70 00:00      
               RC resets are evul            01/01/70 00:00      
                  So?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Not necessarily,,,            01/01/70 00:00      
                     I guess you are a student / hobbyist            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Oh..            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Even or better just then...            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Where to apply 100nF?            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Shortest possible distance            01/01/70 00:00      
                        especially not for a hobbyist            01/01/70 00:00      
                  RC RESET worked fine for years ,,, but ...            01/01/70 00:00      
               no, not "will" but "is likely to"            01/01/70 00:00      
                  an added IMPORTANT comment            01/01/70 00:00      

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