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04/21/07 06:29
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#137686 - Nice to think folks remember Don's "cheap video"..
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Not to mention "Son of Cheap" video. My favorite TVT was Dr. Robert Suddings TVT (Digital Group ~1977).

When folks indicate they want to build a VGA circuit i often think they really mean they want VGA like display capability which is a different proposition.

Myself, i'm not that interested in building a PC compatible "VGA" circuit. Programmable Logic is, no doubt, one good way to do this.

I am interested in exploiting modern commodity video technology, especially cheap LCD displays. The NTSC TVT works great with those "in car" type displays from AudioVox and Alpine. Tempting enough to argue for a color solution.

I find 15" LCD VGA monitors are pretty easy to get inexpensively.

If your willing to work with monochrome, no problem using a shift register.

I have no doubt that a mono 640x480 VGA display can be generated by a DS'420 + shift register.

The memory again is the issue for me. 8 color VGA would probably argue for a "Fly-by" technique where 3 Shift Registers load directly with the processor generating the dummy reads from 3 memories (no processor data intervention).

I did this many years ago in an 8751 audio playback/recorder sampler to allow 16 bit x 256k DRAMs to be directly written and read from 12 bit ADC/DAC @ 32kHz.

regards,
p


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8051 to VGA            01/01/70 00:00      
   nope..... but i do know            01/01/70 00:00      
      Video            01/01/70 00:00      
         well, if throiughput is a problem            01/01/70 00:00      
         VGA vs. NTSC (OK, PAL)            01/01/70 00:00      
            especially on CRTs?            01/01/70 00:00      
               flicker            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Distortion            01/01/70 00:00      
                     until today...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Logical Processors            01/01/70 00:00      
                           not likely ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                              sure, but what problem is that            01/01/70 00:00      
               It's the demand for precise timing            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Monochrome?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     He may be a bit misguided            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Ive used an spi interface            01/01/70 00:00      
                     This is the arbitary display overlay jobby            01/01/70 00:00      
      A NICE VIDEO GENERATING AND PROCESSING EXAMPLE!!            01/01/70 00:00      
         Is it VGA?            01/01/70 00:00      
   Video Buffer            01/01/70 00:00      
      and a "video DAC"            01/01/70 00:00      
         Well there are ways and ways ....            01/01/70 00:00      
            but VGA is twice as fast            01/01/70 00:00      
               VGA Pixel rate is faster but ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  If the MCU can\'t do it all ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     how about this one            01/01/70 00:00      
                        "stuffer"            01/01/70 00:00      
                           it'd better be a really cheap MCU            01/01/70 00:00      
                              why?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        the guy who pays for it would notice.            01/01/70 00:00      
                           why?            01/01/70 00:00      
                              The extra MCU contributes nothing. Why use it?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 because            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    TEXT => Pixels = character generator            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       sure, but            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          True, but only sometimes ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             HUH?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                so ... which MCU has those built in?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   those?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      Here's what "those" are ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         options            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    working examples            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Nice to think folks remember Don's "cheap video"..            01/01/70 00:00      
                        What do you mean, Phillip?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           A notion not to radical or heretical ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                              I still think it's either/or and not both            01/01/70 00:00      
      Like the vhdl that you'll find            01/01/70 00:00      
         Here's an ARM7 Driving a VGA Display direct            01/01/70 00:00      
   75 Ohm?            01/01/70 00:00      
      75 Ohm it is...            01/01/70 00:00      
   dc motor            01/01/70 00:00      
      start a new thead - and be specific            01/01/70 00:00      

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