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04/04/12 13:36
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#187006 - the trouble with schematics ....
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Data rate is low. 50 bytes in 2 seconds. 2400 serial port baud.
TOTALLY IRRELEVANT. the thing that makes layout critical is NOT frequency, but rise and fall times.

I have used this FTDI chip in several designs with 4 layer boards and had zero problems with them.

the trouble with schematics is that they connect a to b and many assuumes a trace on a PCB will do the same. this is not the case. A trace is not a DIRECT connection, it is a mixture of inductors, capacitors and (OK Per) resistors.

when gnd and Vcc are run through a trace every chip 'sees' what any other chip is doing.

when you throw a 5ns risetime into such a trace all strange thing start to happen.

to minimise these effects I recommend always to use a 4 layer board with solid ground and Vcc planes.

in a pinch, you may get by with a 2 layer board with a solid ground plane if EVERYTHING is decoupled carefully and fully.

Erik

List of 36 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
FTDI F232RL Noise issues            01/01/70 00:00      
   GND,cables            01/01/70 00:00      
      of this is it, then            01/01/70 00:00      
   leakage effects..            01/01/70 00:00      
      Thanks for the comments..            01/01/70 00:00      
         changing the serial port data....            01/01/70 00:00      
         cable, bought off the shelf            01/01/70 00:00      
            Test standard solutions            01/01/70 00:00      
               Options..            01/01/70 00:00      
                  VCP /D2X            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Problem exists with both drivers            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Aten serial to USB cable uses a FTDI chip            01/01/70 00:00      
   FTDI chip ESD sensitivity            01/01/70 00:00      
      Thanks Oliver...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Zeners are slow            01/01/70 00:00      
         show Your circuit            01/01/70 00:00      
            F232 is USB powered but.. + circuit            01/01/70 00:00      
         USB Isolator Chips            01/01/70 00:00      
            Isolators            01/01/70 00:00      
         Better than zeners            01/01/70 00:00      
            just a thought            01/01/70 00:00      
               Layout            01/01/70 00:00      
                  VCP/Direct drivers            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Layout attached            01/01/70 00:00      
                     It's a high speed circuit !!!!            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Totally 100% Agreed            01/01/70 00:00      
                           the trouble with schematics ....            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Bandwidth limitation            01/01/70 00:00      
   22 ohms between serial port ground and FT232 ground helps...            01/01/70 00:00      
      of course it does            01/01/70 00:00      
         Erik,            01/01/70 00:00      
            Links please            01/01/70 00:00      
               Link...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Solved            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Magnetics            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Ethernet input is connected to serial port ground            01/01/70 00:00      

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