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04/02/12 12:13
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#186972 - FTDI chip ESD sensitivity
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I've just designed an FT232RL into a product and it took a lot of effort to get acceptable ESD immunity. Your symptoms sound similar, so I would have a look in this area. USB links horrible from an ESD viewpoint because you can spark to the end point and the ESD spike can travel through the USB cable to the PC in preference to a local earth.

In the end my solution involved transient suppressors on the USB 5V, DM and DP lines and opto-isolators (actually ISO7221AD chips) on the UART TX and RX signals. The FT232RL was USB powered, so you don't need an extra isolated 5V supply. I did try common mode chokes between the FT232RL and my CPU (instead of opto-isolators) and they had some effect, but not enough to meet CE levels. The idea was to add impedance into the ground loop, therefore controlling where the ESD goes. I might have got an acceptable result with common mode chokes if I'd spent more time on it, but I didn't have the time.

Connecting the USB screen to the correct ground is vital, as you get quite different behaviour if it's the CPU 0V, USB 0V of the chassis metalwork.

List of 36 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
FTDI F232RL Noise issues            01/01/70 00:00      
   GND,cables            01/01/70 00:00      
      of this is it, then            01/01/70 00:00      
   leakage effects..            01/01/70 00:00      
      Thanks for the comments..            01/01/70 00:00      
         changing the serial port data....            01/01/70 00:00      
         cable, bought off the shelf            01/01/70 00:00      
            Test standard solutions            01/01/70 00:00      
               Options..            01/01/70 00:00      
                  VCP /D2X            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Problem exists with both drivers            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Aten serial to USB cable uses a FTDI chip            01/01/70 00:00      
   FTDI chip ESD sensitivity            01/01/70 00:00      
      Thanks Oliver...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Zeners are slow            01/01/70 00:00      
         show Your circuit            01/01/70 00:00      
            F232 is USB powered but.. + circuit            01/01/70 00:00      
         USB Isolator Chips            01/01/70 00:00      
            Isolators            01/01/70 00:00      
         Better than zeners            01/01/70 00:00      
            just a thought            01/01/70 00:00      
               Layout            01/01/70 00:00      
                  VCP/Direct drivers            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Layout attached            01/01/70 00:00      
                     It's a high speed circuit !!!!            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Totally 100% Agreed            01/01/70 00:00      
                           the trouble with schematics ....            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Bandwidth limitation            01/01/70 00:00      
   22 ohms between serial port ground and FT232 ground helps...            01/01/70 00:00      
      of course it does            01/01/70 00:00      
         Erik,            01/01/70 00:00      
            Links please            01/01/70 00:00      
               Link...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Solved            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Magnetics            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Ethernet input is connected to serial port ground            01/01/70 00:00      

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