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12/03/11 00:04
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#184998 - a couple of questions ...
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Why add the TL431? Doesn't it just inject a delay due to its response time?

Why is your triac trigger on the high side of the fixed voltage? Doesn't that defeat the purpose of the trigger circuit, namely to sense the increase in voltage at that point?

Normally one would put the fixed voltage above the thyristor gate so that, when the cathode voltage goes up, the anode voltage does to, causing the thyristor to trigger.

There exists a whole range of sensitive-gate SCR's intended for exactly this purpose, and it would seem to me that you could omit the regulator and one resistor, simply relying on either R1 and R2, or, better, a zener in the place of R1 and attaching the gate to the junction between the zener and R2. Then, when the voltage on the battery exceeds your threshold, the SCR will trigger.

Triacs are relatively slow, while SCR's are not. The benefit of using a thyristor over using a mosfet or other semiconductor is that the thyristor will stay "on" so long as current flows. Consequently, you want your thyristor to be as close to the fuse, i.e. upstream of any potentially affected components as possible. I like 'em best when they're upstream of any regulators or what-not. That way, I'm not using a more costly component to protect the fuse.

I'm not convinced this arrangement will do what you want, and I'd guess the cap (C) will just slow things down. Do you want that?

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List of 40 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
Crowbar circuit using TL431            01/01/70 00:00      
   possibly worthless circuit            01/01/70 00:00      
      Speed not a problem            01/01/70 00:00      
         maybe it is            01/01/70 00:00      
      re: possibly worthless            01/01/70 00:00      
         no, the fuse blew            01/01/70 00:00      
            Polyfuse - OMG            01/01/70 00:00      
               And manufacturing tolerances can ruin the design...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Why not using...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Like shown here, e.g.,...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Possible but..            01/01/70 00:00      
            Tell us...            01/01/70 00:00      
   describe application, and needs            01/01/70 00:00      
      language            01/01/70 00:00      
         sorry            01/01/70 00:00      
            Awesome...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Antique...            01/01/70 00:00      
            The classic approach doesn't use a triac            01/01/70 00:00      
               did not think opf that.            01/01/70 00:00      
         Oh, come on, Erik ...            01/01/70 00:00      
            I do not critisize language problems...            01/01/70 00:00      
               It's a matter of personal pride ...            01/01/70 00:00      
      More info            01/01/70 00:00      
         and values of resistors?            01/01/70 00:00      
            Component values            01/01/70 00:00      
               oscillations?            01/01/70 00:00      
         one alternative circuit            01/01/70 00:00      
   a couple of questions ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   This one's straight from "often-wrong" Wikipedia            01/01/70 00:00      
   Thread wandering            01/01/70 00:00      
      then close it..            01/01/70 00:00      
         Problem now fixed            01/01/70 00:00      
            Are you sure??            01/01/70 00:00      
               Exactly the opposite            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Triac Triggering            01/01/70 00:00      
                     A1 to positive rail is ok            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Yes A1 to ++V            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Nevertheless...            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Not Necessarily            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Standard for PC PSU            01/01/70 00:00      

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