| ??? 06/05/11 16:16 Read: times Msg Score: -2 -2 Offensive/Flame |
#182492 - Realism is irrelevant Responding to: ???'s previous message |
Per Westermark said:
Richard said:
That's because few low-level employees feel it necessary to do anything beyond the minimum they can do, and seldom fail to do even that. You haven't even thought about the reverse? That maybe they don't do anything extra because they are experienced? Maybe because they have already had a couple of years doing the same kind of work, and knows that if they do report a problem, that report will be ignored at the next level? So they aren't lazy but realists. I think that falls into the category of irrelevant and immaterial. The things I have observed reflect an attitude of "I don't have to do anything I don't want to do" that reaches back to when the subject individuals were very young, e.g. 8 or 10 years old, and really didn't even learn to speak their native tongue properly, subsequently didn't learn to read and write properly, and now, don't know how to do anything beyond playing their video games and talking (badly) on their cellphones when they should be doing useful work. It's a known fact that most people adapt to the system, instead of trying to fight the system to get it to change. And when people design dumbing systems, then the users of the systems figure: If that's the way they want it - why not. You may be right about that ... If they're happy with the way things constantly malfunction they believe that that's the way things should be. TV that works badly, Cellphones that drop calls and lose syllables throughout the conversation, forcing one to guess at what's been said, cars that break down and can't be repaired because the electronic systems cost more to replace than a new car ... etc ... all those point to the world to be ... one in which nothing works properly, including the individuals who are supposed to perform useful work. The end result is that you can have very intelligent people, but they don't see any gain from using that intelligence working that dumbed down system. So they do what they have to do, while spending their time thinking about other things. If only the "system" would allow for the fact that employees only want to collect their pay, and don't expect to do what they're supposed to do. People aren't more stupid now than they where 20 years ago. But 20 years ago, more people were expected to make own decisions at work. So they did behave differently on the work because it was meaningful to be proactive and pick up problems early. But today, companies want to pay the least amount of money so they don't want the employees to think or take responsibility for things. When a company sends the message to the employees "spend the time, but don't think", they get staff that will just count time instead of walking the shelves and see what can be improved. But that doesn't mean the people working there are less intelligent. It just means the corporations have management that either are prejudiced or unable to think about cause and action. I don't agree. I think people are WAY stupider today than they were when I was in middle-age, and I think that, then, they were WAY stupider than when I was in my late 20's. That's probably because, after a couple of generations, they had learned that their heads are really just for carrying the latest coiffure or wearing their hats "idiot style" (with the bill over their necks). Maybe US have a larger percentage of citizens who can't read/write/count well. But that is still no metric of intelligence. Oh, but I believe it is a metric of intelligence. If they had any intelligence they'd be aware that those abilities are for THEIR benefit and not just for the benefit of others. The people who are smart enough to recognize that advertising what they want the idiots to buy on TV will, in fact, sell faulty products without any recourse, get them to do just that by gradually turning the majority of the public into morons. Knowledge and intelligence are two completely separate dimensions. You can have educated people that have read all classic litterature but can't think for themseles. And you can have people unable to read/write that can rip you to pieces using pure logic. But it's the sordid view of some people that tries to cement the we/them view in society. If everyone can't have the same right to a good education, how will our society be able to function? When we design systems, they should help the user. But don't try to dumb down the user. Dumbed-down systems just sends a signal that we don't want people to think for themselves and take own decisions. Isn't that what the purveyors of such systems want? I don't know if US is special, but if you find all gas station attendants to be stupid, it indicates two things: That you have stupid management and stupid system designers. Or that you have an inability to communicate with people and see who they are, and what they are capable of. After all, the average human intelligence is not rapidly dropping. But peoples ability to socialize seems to be going down the drain. I simply avoid dealing with these sub-humans who can't read, write, and spell ... and make change ... by using the automated system that eliminates the need to go to the kiosk where they sit. All one has to do is to consider what most people are being spoon-fed by the electronic media. It's all a game ... reality doesn't exist for them ... it's all a fantasy ... just a simulation. They have no "real" life. RE |
