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02/12/08 11:46
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#150640 - I just cant believe Andy replies for Malund?
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Andy Neil said:
Ap Charles said:
Mean Time Between Failures has nothing to do with design

Oh yes it does!

If the design overstresses the parts, that will lower the MTBF - both in the sense of Mean Time Between Failures, and Mean Time Before Failure.

Though not a big deal what I want to say is there are certain discrepancies that we dont know and cannot gaurantee anything .

True: it's all about statistics, and statistics can never predict individual events - statistics can only ever refer to a population as a whole.

MTBF=50000hr does not guarantee that no failures will occur before 50000h - just that the number will be acceptably low.

do you just ridiculously design and throw away it in the market?

I think you were the one "ridiculously" designing by putting in buffers when not needed.
Remember: adding additional unnecessary components also reduces MTBF!


as stated earlier by Neil , It does cause wear . That sows the purpose of wear-leveling algorithm

You are quoting out of context: that's not the general running of the software that I was talking about.

The thing that causes wear in flash memories is erasing, and that issue was separately addressed in that thread.


though not with the port pins

Which is what I was specifically referring to

but with the memory

Not any memory - just (E)EPROM (including Flash EEPROM), and just when erasing.


This reply is in context to this:
http://www.8052.com/forumchat/read.phtml?id=150602


List of 56 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
port P0 and resistor pull-up            01/01/70 00:00      
   It needs a pullup, but it's pretty arbitrary            01/01/70 00:00      
   NO its not a good idea ,use only 10K or big and            01/01/70 00:00      
      it depends            01/01/70 00:00      
      wrong            01/01/70 00:00      
         wrong how?,if you want to make MCU taxing systems            01/01/70 00:00      
            He may not need buffers            01/01/70 00:00      
               Read the title of the original post            01/01/70 00:00      
            Not generally true            01/01/70 00:00      
               Please tell him that            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Please read your own post            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Thanks for your suggestion but .            01/01/70 00:00      
                        No problem with that            01/01/70 00:00      
                           You mean no other safe way?            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Wrong again            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Please prove it , I dont believe in hard driving            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Your way is not the only way            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 And here I recall design experience?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    HUH            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       What HUH ???? , Does your MCU runs Endless?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          black/white and grey            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Keep Fantasizing            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                what on earth does that answer have to do with my            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   As you favour such things            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      now, as before, you are totally off the rocker.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         What made you so excited with this?? may I know .            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         Did you read this in full Malund before commenti            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    That thread is still open            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       I dont feel the need            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          ideology vs stupidity            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             ideology vs stupidity VS MTBF , you seem not to            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Oh yes it does            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   I just cant believe Andy replies for Malund?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Nobody imposed it            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Please prove it .            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      It's a public forum            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         not battlefield ;-)            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            battlefield - No way , Neil likes healthy debate            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         Ofcourse it is a Public forum You avoided my post            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                you have no idea do you?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Now you're getting yourself confused, Erik!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      OK            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         Is that anything to do with soft wear?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         who asks for that            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   you have no id... Prove your rants then            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      you do the math            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         Which method is applied to test the wear            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Overstressing            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Overstressing --- I dont advocate this            01/01/70 00:00      
                              The O/P didn't say ...            01/01/70 00:00      
               very late response            01/01/70 00:00      
      if            01/01/70 00:00      
         see ... here's an example of what I meant!            01/01/70 00:00      
   Yes, but he doesn\'t say whether or for what            01/01/70 00:00      
      Internal pullups            01/01/70 00:00      
   Why all that hassle?            01/01/70 00:00      

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