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02/08/08 08:50
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#150460 - Not generally true
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Ap Charles said:
then go ahead , I know the limits of electronics

But you don't know the requirements of his application (if he even has a specific application in mind).

Therefore you cannot just say - without any proviso or qualification - that a buffer must always be used.

As both Richard and Stefan have also said, you must look at the requirements of the application, and the specifications of the particular chip, and then decide whether a buffer is necessary or not.

In some cases a buffer is necessary; in others, it is not.

making MCU taxing systems and not giving breathing space to systems is not my choise of a design

Of course not - but you have absolutely no idea whether or not his system is going to be "taxing", do you?

I always keep 30% or more margins

So, if he has 30% margin (or whatever) without a buffer, then - by your own reasoning - he does not need a buffer, does he?
So it is wrong to just say that he does.

My suggestion is in compliance with RE

No, it is not: Richard said that it depnds upon the application - you just made a rule without any consideration at all for the application.

What if he plans to drive LEDs with this port?.

If it is a low-current, high-efficiency LED, it could easily be well within the port's capabilities without the use of any buffer!

His application is uncertain.

Absolutely - which is precisely why it is wrong to give any unqualified response as if it were a universal rule!

List of 56 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
port P0 and resistor pull-up            01/01/70 00:00      
   It needs a pullup, but it's pretty arbitrary            01/01/70 00:00      
   NO its not a good idea ,use only 10K or big and            01/01/70 00:00      
      it depends            01/01/70 00:00      
      wrong            01/01/70 00:00      
         wrong how?,if you want to make MCU taxing systems            01/01/70 00:00      
            He may not need buffers            01/01/70 00:00      
               Read the title of the original post            01/01/70 00:00      
            Not generally true            01/01/70 00:00      
               Please tell him that            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Please read your own post            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Thanks for your suggestion but .            01/01/70 00:00      
                        No problem with that            01/01/70 00:00      
                           You mean no other safe way?            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Wrong again            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Please prove it , I dont believe in hard driving            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Your way is not the only way            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 And here I recall design experience?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    HUH            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       What HUH ???? , Does your MCU runs Endless?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          black/white and grey            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Keep Fantasizing            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                what on earth does that answer have to do with my            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   As you favour such things            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      now, as before, you are totally off the rocker.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         What made you so excited with this?? may I know .            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         Did you read this in full Malund before commenti            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    That thread is still open            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       I dont feel the need            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          ideology vs stupidity            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             ideology vs stupidity VS MTBF , you seem not to            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Oh yes it does            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   I just cant believe Andy replies for Malund?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Nobody imposed it            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Please prove it .            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      It's a public forum            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         not battlefield ;-)            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            battlefield - No way , Neil likes healthy debate            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         Ofcourse it is a Public forum You avoided my post            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                you have no idea do you?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Now you're getting yourself confused, Erik!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      OK            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         Is that anything to do with soft wear?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         who asks for that            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   you have no id... Prove your rants then            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      you do the math            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         Which method is applied to test the wear            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Overstressing            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Overstressing --- I dont advocate this            01/01/70 00:00      
                              The O/P didn't say ...            01/01/70 00:00      
               very late response            01/01/70 00:00      
      if            01/01/70 00:00      
         see ... here's an example of what I meant!            01/01/70 00:00      
   Yes, but he doesn\'t say whether or for what            01/01/70 00:00      
      Internal pullups            01/01/70 00:00      
   Why all that hassle?            01/01/70 00:00      

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