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02/12/08 07:59
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#150632 - ideology vs stupidity VS MTBF , you seem not to
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Erik Malund said:
I can bet there is No garuantee to whatso ever may be you run the chip to its maximum rated or under , If it has to fail it will fail .

I am certain that Andy's 'ideology' makes sure there is a 100% guarantee that he does not run any component "to its maximum rated or over".
That somebody else may be stupid enough to make something where "there is no garuantee to whatso ever may be you run the chip to its maximum rated or under" is a totally different issue.

If "there is no garuantee to whatso ever may be you run the chip to its maximum rated or under" I would not define it as 'design' but rather "putting things together to see what happens".

The discussion about 'aging' has had totally ridiculous entries based on "aging when the design is wrong" who the he.. cares what happens with a wrong desaign, if it is wrong it is wrong. I have a feeling that theree is a "this happened to me" element here.

Erik


You seem not to understand what my point is . MTBF , FIT's are also there in the specs. That you guys dont want to listen . Mean Time Between Failures has nothing to do with design , we produce 1000 units (sensor control system) from our SMT line and when testing the product most of the time from one lot we are bound to have 4-5 failures , wheres the other MCUs of the same lot work properly ? . Though not a big deal what I want to say is there are certain discrepancies that we dont know and cannot gaurantee anything .
This shows the purpose of providing Gaurantee to products or do you just ridiculously design and throw away it in the market? .


" Running code does not cause any wear on the chip;
Checking a port bit does not cause any wear on the chip. "

as stated earlier by Neil , It does cause wear . That sows the purpose of wear-leveling algorithm , which people use for their hardcore product design , though not with the port pins but with the memory .


AP

PS:
1) I dont understand how you are on a statement which you call that you are an on rocker, clearly say what you mean , I cant get you.

2) i am not in the favour of running things to its maximum limits ? , where did I say this that I design this way , dont IMPOSE this on me .






List of 56 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
port P0 and resistor pull-up            01/01/70 00:00      
   It needs a pullup, but it's pretty arbitrary            01/01/70 00:00      
   NO its not a good idea ,use only 10K or big and            01/01/70 00:00      
      it depends            01/01/70 00:00      
      wrong            01/01/70 00:00      
         wrong how?,if you want to make MCU taxing systems            01/01/70 00:00      
            He may not need buffers            01/01/70 00:00      
               Read the title of the original post            01/01/70 00:00      
            Not generally true            01/01/70 00:00      
               Please tell him that            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Please read your own post            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Thanks for your suggestion but .            01/01/70 00:00      
                        No problem with that            01/01/70 00:00      
                           You mean no other safe way?            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Wrong again            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Please prove it , I dont believe in hard driving            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Your way is not the only way            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 And here I recall design experience?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    HUH            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       What HUH ???? , Does your MCU runs Endless?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          black/white and grey            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Keep Fantasizing            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                what on earth does that answer have to do with my            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   As you favour such things            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      now, as before, you are totally off the rocker.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         What made you so excited with this?? may I know .            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         Did you read this in full Malund before commenti            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    That thread is still open            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       I dont feel the need            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          ideology vs stupidity            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             ideology vs stupidity VS MTBF , you seem not to            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Oh yes it does            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   I just cant believe Andy replies for Malund?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Nobody imposed it            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Please prove it .            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      It's a public forum            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         not battlefield ;-)            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            battlefield - No way , Neil likes healthy debate            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         Ofcourse it is a Public forum You avoided my post            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                you have no idea do you?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Now you're getting yourself confused, Erik!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      OK            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         Is that anything to do with soft wear?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         who asks for that            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   you have no id... Prove your rants then            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      you do the math            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         Which method is applied to test the wear            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Overstressing            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Overstressing --- I dont advocate this            01/01/70 00:00      
                              The O/P didn't say ...            01/01/70 00:00      
               very late response            01/01/70 00:00      
      if            01/01/70 00:00      
         see ... here's an example of what I meant!            01/01/70 00:00      
   Yes, but he doesn\'t say whether or for what            01/01/70 00:00      
      Internal pullups            01/01/70 00:00      
   Why all that hassle?            01/01/70 00:00      

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