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03/11/06 22:16
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#112001 - Well, we mustn't forget
Responding to: ???'s previous message
There's a niche into which the ARM-type MCU won't fit.

The ARM's I've seen so far are hobbled in performance when one attempts to put FLASH on the same die, because the technologies don't mix well. Likewise, putting a substantial amount of cache is already a challenge, and putting what amounts to a significantly useful RAM on a machine that has 32-bit words uses up lots of real estate. Consequently, while it's cheap enough for many controller applications, it's not cheap enough to compete with the really simple 805x or PIC or 68HC08 app's that operate entirely within the single-chipper.

Another factor is the performance. With the ARM's "reduced" instruction set, it takes longer than one cycle, to do almost anything, including things that would take only one cycle on a CISC type. Simple operations can fall into this class, though I'm hard-pressed to come up with one right this minute.

Certainly, operating on bytes can be cumbersome if your I/O is not in bytes, and the low-cost ARM versions don't operate on bytes any faster than, the faster 805x's. There will always be some things the little guys can do faster and more conveniently, and probably at less cost, particularly since the ARM types can't do much of anything without external memory.

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ARM Dumps Keil Compiler            01/01/70 00:00      
   Not a good week.            01/01/70 00:00      
      Hmmm ....            01/01/70 00:00      
   Prediction            01/01/70 00:00      
      Dumping            01/01/70 00:00      
         Are you sure?            01/01/70 00:00      
            well, what is what            01/01/70 00:00      
               conversion path            01/01/70 00:00      
                  new owners, new policies            01/01/70 00:00      
                     bad news for 8051core user            01/01/70 00:00      
                        not really            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Then, why don't folks already use those?            01/01/70 00:00      
                              stated aim            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Well, we mustn't forget            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Competitor?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 That's quite so            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    blatantly stolen from the Keil forum            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       That could appear to be so, but it's not            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Richard, nothing about you            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Well, I didn't visit the link, but ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                well, if you had, you would have read:            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Yes, I probably would have            01/01/70 00:00      
      Java            01/01/70 00:00      
         Interesting            01/01/70 00:00      
            24-bit I2S DACs?            01/01/70 00:00      
               What's that?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  I2S DAC            01/01/70 00:00      
                     What? You mean like a linear codec?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        jusr curious            01/01/70 00:00      
                           nothing            01/01/70 00:00      
                              well ... you can use my email            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 OK and see this too            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    "protected" e-mail            01/01/70 00:00      
                        "linear codec" ??            01/01/70 00:00      
                           The most common ones aren't linear            01/01/70 00:00      

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