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02/29/12 23:05
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#186303 - Boring...
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Richard said:
What, exactly, is it that you find boring about using a simple, though long-established method for solving this relatively trivial problem? A PLL with wide capture range can easily deal with this problem, and, as others have already stated, it only takes a coupld of IC's and a few cheap passives requiring perhaps 3 square centimeters of PCB space. It can even be done with one CMOS IC, e.g. one of the MC14515x or 14517x series frequency synthesizers.

Well, PLL looks simple at first moment, but to make it work properly can be boringly tricky. To find the right loop filter providing fast settling time, low ringing and low jitter, all at the same time, can be tedious. Then there is this phase comparator issue. And so on.

I remember very well an application when I had a nasty jitter. It turned out, that there was an unwanted coupling between the phase comparator and the VCO within the CD4046 due to ground bounce. Equally what loop filter I took this damned jitter appeared and ruined my signal. Finally I had two independent CD4046 on the board, from the one I used the phase comparator and from the other the VCO. And the jitter took a powder...

Kai Klaas

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TopicAuthorDate
frequency multiplier x 10            01/01/70 00:00      
   You need some specs first.            01/01/70 00:00      
      and even more questions for your tutor            01/01/70 00:00      
   Analog solution...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Input wave form            01/01/70 00:00      
      Too Bad...            01/01/70 00:00      
   have you considered a "rate multiplier"?            01/01/70 00:00      
   PCA?            01/01/70 00:00      
      PCA Yes            01/01/70 00:00      
   Update            01/01/70 00:00      
      2 i.c.s plus 6 R, C            01/01/70 00:00      
      4046 / 7490            01/01/70 00:00      
      I put my bet in the digital solution            01/01/70 00:00      
         digital solution            01/01/70 00:00      
            MCU / CPLD            01/01/70 00:00      
            Simple digital solution...            01/01/70 00:00      
               Engine too fast            01/01/70 00:00      
                  it could be made simpler            01/01/70 00:00      
                     cute            01/01/70 00:00      
               OR            01/01/70 00:00      
   Frequency Multipiler            01/01/70 00:00      
      Motivation?            01/01/70 00:00      
         Motivation ?????????            01/01/70 00:00      
            Motives            01/01/70 00:00      
               OK            01/01/70 00:00      
                  motivation guess            01/01/70 00:00      
                     I had the same feeling...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        and if you looked at any of his previous posts ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   A number of thins concern me ...            01/01/70 00:00      
      answers            01/01/70 00:00      
      Boring...            01/01/70 00:00      
         And in this case...            01/01/70 00:00      
            Yes ... but ...            01/01/70 00:00      
               Making what you need, from what you can get..            01/01/70 00:00      
                  slogans            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Is that what the display needs?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     10-700 Hz is expected output frequency - not input frequency            01/01/70 00:00      
                        I did make one mistake            01/01/70 00:00      
                           old rpm analog (or digital) display is what they have            01/01/70 00:00      
                              bursts...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 See LM2917 for ancient tacho examples            01/01/70 00:00      
   PLL            01/01/70 00:00      
   More detail?            01/01/70 00:00      
      Yes, more details, please...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Details            01/01/70 00:00      
            This can have to do ...            01/01/70 00:00      
               sharp edges            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Which phase-detector?            01/01/70 00:00      
               re: this can have            01/01/70 00:00      
                  What I would do...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Very Low Frequency            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Give it a try...            01/01/70 00:00      

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