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02/02/12 22:59
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#185783 - that you had the worst possible reset circuit
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Neil Kurzman said that , “I can assume you have an R/C reset on the 8052?”
Thanks Neil… I’m already using it.
It can’t solve this situation… Because proses ordinary is;
1-R/C Reset
2-8051 Start up ( It’s writing ports to logic-1)
3-My program…

Neil correctly guessed that you had the worst possible reset circuit.
RC reset is horrible and may lead to flash loss. Also with a proper supervisor, you may even be able - while having the pulse longer than the minimum the chip requiers - to have a reset so short that the relays do not click.


Thans Richard. I know them.
8051 I/O maximum output current is 15-20mA (approximitly)

NO!, NO!, NO! some 8051 derivatives have I/O maximum sink current is 15-20mA (approximitly) however mayny derivatives will be specified with less or - a few - with more.

I won’t calculate at length. But, I/O pin output current through to Base pin is approximitly 1,9mA.
However, 8051 can supprot 15-20mA. (approx. 10 times more)
Due to that reason, current don’t have to flow outside to I/O pin.

If I could read what you thought you wrote, maybe I would understand the above.

BTW, yes at first time low-active design was significat.
ULN2003 etc. chips are used. But, some problems are noticed.
Now, Hi-Active usage has started lately. UDN2981 etc..

if you are already using such a chip to drive your relays, connect the suipervisor output to the enable pin and you are home free,

I think, I should use PIC series microcontroller for this kind of circuits….
how is "inactive open" ('input') better than "inactive high" in a previous post you babbled about an open solder joint, what is the difference betheen an open pin and an open solder joint.

Hundereds, if not thousands, have made succesful designs using the '51 to drive relays, it is remarkable that, after dacades,someone pop up that cant.

Erik

PS: from the jokers dictionary relay: recycling old girlfriends

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Power-On Port Status Problem            01/01/70 00:00      
   Wrong idea            01/01/70 00:00      
   you will not            01/01/70 00:00      
   you are not the only one            01/01/70 00:00      
   ATMEL be ashamed            01/01/70 00:00      
      No, YOU should be ashamed...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Nonsense!            01/01/70 00:00      
      PIC Does so            01/01/70 00:00      
         Oh really??            01/01/70 00:00      
            "Glitch" in the sense of kind of "setback in a plane"?            01/01/70 00:00      
   Try These Ideas            01/01/70 00:00      
   "Glitch"            01/01/70 00:00      
      what is not “ATMEL true”.            01/01/70 00:00      
      I think you are making excuses            01/01/70 00:00      
      Oh, boohoo!            01/01/70 00:00      
      What a bunch of fatty sausage...            01/01/70 00:00      
      "very easy problem"            01/01/70 00:00      
   Power-On Glitch            01/01/70 00:00      
      Nonsense - again            01/01/70 00:00      
      Please explain what the "power-on glitch" is ...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Into The Frying Pan            01/01/70 00:00      
      Power-on problem...            01/01/70 00:00      
      You are still blaming the tools            01/01/70 00:00      
   Design the hardware first.            01/01/70 00:00      
      do not Design the hardware first.            01/01/70 00:00      
   Power-On Glitch            01/01/70 00:00      
      that you had the worst possible reset circuit            01/01/70 00:00      
      RC-reset...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Sorry, double post, don't know why...            01/01/70 00:00      
         No, you're not the only one            01/01/70 00:00      
      Would I Hire?            01/01/70 00:00      
         incidentially            01/01/70 00:00      
   Power On satus Problem            01/01/70 00:00      
      echo, echo, echo            01/01/70 00:00      

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