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02/01/12 20:41
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#185764 - I think you are making excuses
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Yes, I know that solution. However, I don’t want to use Low-Active Design.
then, I know of no micro you can use. Any micro known to me will be either high or 'open' ("input") on power up. and, since 'open' match "cold solder" that will not satisfy you.

When I/O pin is logic-1. Due to cold solder, PNP transistor’s Base pin will be logic-0 and RELAY ACTIVE… (Who can warrant that such an event won’t happen.)
the transistor that drives the relay may short (Who can warrant that such an event won’t happen.)
the the relay contacts may 'weld' (Who can warrant that such an event won’t happen.)

BTW if the connection to the PNP base is open the PNP will not conduct and RELAY INACTIVE.

Low-Active design is not secure for that kind of circuits.
as above, no design is secure. The only difference is where the insecurity comes from.

In other way, I can be passed up power-on port situation in data sheet. But this mean is not “ATMEL true”. I think ATMEL must have done selectable internal pull-up resistors.
they may in certain derivatives but not in the "plain vanilla"

also, how will "selectable internal pull-up resistors" help you?

If there is not software solution,
If ATMEL won’t do selectable internal pull-up resistors,
If ATMEL won’t solve that very easy problem,

I doubt very much that Atmel - or any other micro manufacturer - will modify their designs to satisfy you.

I think you are making excuses for not having read the datasheet before you designed.

Erik

List of 34 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
Power-On Port Status Problem            01/01/70 00:00      
   Wrong idea            01/01/70 00:00      
   you will not            01/01/70 00:00      
   you are not the only one            01/01/70 00:00      
   ATMEL be ashamed            01/01/70 00:00      
      No, YOU should be ashamed...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Nonsense!            01/01/70 00:00      
      PIC Does so            01/01/70 00:00      
         Oh really??            01/01/70 00:00      
            "Glitch" in the sense of kind of "setback in a plane"?            01/01/70 00:00      
   Try These Ideas            01/01/70 00:00      
   "Glitch"            01/01/70 00:00      
      what is not “ATMEL true”.            01/01/70 00:00      
      I think you are making excuses            01/01/70 00:00      
      Oh, boohoo!            01/01/70 00:00      
      What a bunch of fatty sausage...            01/01/70 00:00      
      "very easy problem"            01/01/70 00:00      
   Power-On Glitch            01/01/70 00:00      
      Nonsense - again            01/01/70 00:00      
      Please explain what the "power-on glitch" is ...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Into The Frying Pan            01/01/70 00:00      
      Power-on problem...            01/01/70 00:00      
      You are still blaming the tools            01/01/70 00:00      
   Design the hardware first.            01/01/70 00:00      
      do not Design the hardware first.            01/01/70 00:00      
   Power-On Glitch            01/01/70 00:00      
      that you had the worst possible reset circuit            01/01/70 00:00      
      RC-reset...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Sorry, double post, don't know why...            01/01/70 00:00      
         No, you're not the only one            01/01/70 00:00      
      Would I Hire?            01/01/70 00:00      
         incidentially            01/01/70 00:00      
   Power On satus Problem            01/01/70 00:00      
      echo, echo, echo            01/01/70 00:00      

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