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02/03/12 12:38
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#185792 - No, depends on knowledge/experience of people implementing
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No, the ISO standards aren't a joke.

But they are only a way to document your routines. So ISO 9001 isn't worth more than the people who spends time analyzing routines and documenting them based on what is important.

If the important steps are documented, and the process can measure the outcome of the process, then you can pick up whatever deviations there are and figure out how to constantly improve your processes.

Because of this, ISO 9001 will always be a waste of time if the people driving the introduction of it, and responsible for the maintainance, don't have the experience to realize that the main criteria for quality is knowledge and experience. And that a ISO 9001 routine will only be a good routine if it is able to document some of that experience in a way that other people can follow a "good path" when doing their work.

You can document how to clean or fill the coffee machine. But it will not much help the company to improve.

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Finally we found what made US and Europe in crisis            01/01/70 00:00      
   Really?            01/01/70 00:00      
      Rice Crispies            01/01/70 00:00      
         Yeah..            01/01/70 00:00      
            Once I heard her say ...            01/01/70 00:00      
               Gifted            01/01/70 00:00      
               I have found someone worse            01/01/70 00:00      
                  I don't know what this guy's "issue" is ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Ouch            01/01/70 00:00      
                        His Way...            01/01/70 00:00      
                           That's not quite the case ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                              works here            01/01/70 00:00      
                     We have a solution            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Glue?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           re: Soylent Green            01/01/70 00:00      
                        sorry! ... multi-post            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Now, if they'd just apply that filter to politicians ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Oops! ...            01/01/70 00:00      
               I am a goon....            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Maybe you could illustrate what you mean?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     I don't know but            01/01/70 00:00      
                        It's like entropy ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                           The thing is...            01/01/70 00:00      
                              I have to agree ... Americans are doing it to themselves            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Simplifications            01/01/70 00:00      
                              We'll just have to agree to disagree, I guess ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Still not a quality issue but a hunger for more            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    live for life            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Perhaps someone will pay you to "live your life"            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Yes, and therein lies the fatal flaw            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       just buy new one            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          ISO9001/2000?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             agree            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             No, depends on knowledge/experience of people implementing            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                DO we need ISO?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          It's up to the buyer ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Still thinking price implies quality            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Wal-Mart TVs            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Yes, SONY, SAMSUNG, TOSHIBA, etc, all do it ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Foxconn...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             It's because of their scale            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Large scale            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Quite so, but there's room for improvement            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      why You expect this?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         Perhaps you're right            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            Already happening            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               they sleep            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  I thought Indonesia was ahead of the PRC in wages ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     The url blocked            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  ^%$#@! Double post ... again! Sorry            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            PRC and US corruption            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               Maybe you could explain ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  smooth criminals            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      at baby time....            01/01/70 00:00      
            krispies            01/01/70 00:00      
         As i see it..            01/01/70 00:00      
      I'm wrong...            01/01/70 00:00      
      SOPA/PIPA            01/01/70 00:00      
         about that "freedom of speech" thing ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Brilliance            01/01/70 00:00      

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