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08/31/11 08:04
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#183558 - Quick attenuation for these weak transmitters
Responding to: ???'s previous message
The math is simple. It's the required setup that is the trouble, and very much depends on the environment.

For radio, the transfer speed of the signal is too high to measure the arrival time without expensive solutions. So the only practical means is to measure amplitude. Either "fox hunting" by finding the angle of max amplitude, or having enough listening antennas (preferably high enough that the transmission can go straigt to most of them even with people or vehicles moving around) and instead consider the attenuaton based on distance. With weak 433MHz transmitters, the signal strength will very quickly diminish.

The receivers can be very cheap for a 433MHz solution, but do require a "home base", to make it worth drawing out a long enough cable for power + data for a fixed setup. A 10-receiver 433MHz setup should be possible to implemented for < 500$ + backbone cable. And you could probably reach 1-2m precision for a 100x100 ground area. Biggest "if" for precision is amount of uncontrollable clutter.

Obviously, an audio"clicker" solution with sound triangulation is a way (!) nicer alternative, instead allowing the arrival time to be used which also reduces the need for the redundance of receivers a radio amplitude solution with fixed (non-rotating) antennas needs. And the fewer listening posts means ZigBee or similar could be used for reporting back the results, reducing the installation costs to establishing the positions of the listening locations.

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GPS 'drift'            01/01/70 00:00      
   GPS "jitter"            01/01/70 00:00      
      Differential GPS            01/01/70 00:00      
      thanks to both, but ....            01/01/70 00:00      
         RE: please reread my original post            01/01/70 00:00      
            yes            01/01/70 00:00      
               what hardware?            01/01/70 00:00      
               Still differential or possibly inertial navigation            01/01/70 00:00      
                  thanks            01/01/70 00:00      
                     But budget?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        answers            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Ouch - but if data link possible, you still have options            01/01/70 00:00      
                              can You explain , please,            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Quick attenuation for these weak transmitters            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    I think TI has something... [edited]            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       But 2 GPS + link            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Addendum HDOP            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          $100 hardware setup ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Known position            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                so, assuming.....beer            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   gladly if ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      Beer Locator            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         would this be even better?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    RFID...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  One possible solution            01/01/70 00:00      
                     One more picture            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Filtering            01/01/70 00:00      
   Alternate approach?            01/01/70 00:00      
      I am already investigating it            01/01/70 00:00      
         Lost contacts            01/01/70 00:00      
   Another approach            01/01/70 00:00      
   Radio triangulation?            01/01/70 00:00      
      I appreciate the replies, however ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Keep in mind...            01/01/70 00:00      
            reply to the above            01/01/70 00:00      
               Response Back            01/01/70 00:00      
                  "computer mouse"            01/01/70 00:00      
                     wheel mouse            01/01/70 00:00      

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