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08/30/11 20:08
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#183546 - Still differential or possibly inertial navigation
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Let's say you take a snapshot at location A - while your GPS is currently +/- 10 m off (but potentially 30-50m), and currently jittering at 1-2 mph.

Then walk to location B and take a new position - even now having the GPS jittering around at maybe 1-2 mph.

This jittering at 1-2 mph should give you an idea how your distance measurement will be affected, since that tells you that the GPS don't jump 50m off in 5 minutes but can glide around quite quickly.

So you can have 10-100m error already within 10-20 seconds.

A number of GPS tends to behave better after you have started to move, where they use Kalman filters etc to try to even out the jitter. But most GPS are very "noisy" when you are standing still.

Alternatively, you could have a couple of mm up to maybe 1m error even after months, if you had a differential GPS that could retrieve corrections computed from a static location not too far from where you are (since some of the GPS errors are very local - mainly the lens effects that makes the transmission from the satellites bend and take a longer route down to your receiver).

I'm not sure if it is applicable in your case, but potentially you could get better results with a GPS with support for inertial navigation. They are mostly intended for dead reckoning when you need to support tunnels or (city) canyons where the majority (or all) satellites are hidden for significant times. But maybe, just maybe, there are receivers that also uses the magnetic field, graviation and rotation to cancel out and average the random jittering. Inertial navigation would know when the satellite signals indicates the wrong travel direction or too high/low speed. An interesting thing - even a "standard" phone like Samsung Galaxy S II contains a huge set of sensors. It's just a question if someone have spent the time making full use of them (and how much they want for the application).

The initial issue here: What is your volume, and how much money?

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TopicAuthorDate
GPS 'drift'            01/01/70 00:00      
   GPS "jitter"            01/01/70 00:00      
      Differential GPS            01/01/70 00:00      
      thanks to both, but ....            01/01/70 00:00      
         RE: please reread my original post            01/01/70 00:00      
            yes            01/01/70 00:00      
               what hardware?            01/01/70 00:00      
               Still differential or possibly inertial navigation            01/01/70 00:00      
                  thanks            01/01/70 00:00      
                     But budget?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        answers            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Ouch - but if data link possible, you still have options            01/01/70 00:00      
                              can You explain , please,            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Quick attenuation for these weak transmitters            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    I think TI has something... [edited]            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       But 2 GPS + link            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Addendum HDOP            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          $100 hardware setup ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Known position            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                so, assuming.....beer            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   gladly if ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      Beer Locator            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         would this be even better?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    RFID...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  One possible solution            01/01/70 00:00      
                     One more picture            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Filtering            01/01/70 00:00      
   Alternate approach?            01/01/70 00:00      
      I am already investigating it            01/01/70 00:00      
         Lost contacts            01/01/70 00:00      
   Another approach            01/01/70 00:00      
   Radio triangulation?            01/01/70 00:00      
      I appreciate the replies, however ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Keep in mind...            01/01/70 00:00      
            reply to the above            01/01/70 00:00      
               Response Back            01/01/70 00:00      
                  "computer mouse"            01/01/70 00:00      
                     wheel mouse            01/01/70 00:00      

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