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09/27/10 08:54
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#178738 - Rubbish
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Richard Erlacher said:
Microsoft has essentially destroyed the notion of safe backup for most of us. They've made every device attached to the computer, aside from serial ports, look like a file device, so whatever is attached to a computer is infected with any and all evils that reside on that computer within 100 ms.

Desinformation.

Not true for keyboards, mouses, most scanners, most printers, tape drives, ...

Microsoft does not make anything into a disk. Devices are normally streams or block devices - something that has been true since before Bill Gates was born. A device manufacturer may have a feature that makes it valuable to have a disk-like interface. Seeing an MP3 player as a disk means you can drag/drop files. In some cases, it may be nice to drag/drop a new firmware - in case the device is smart enough to verify a signature on the firmware file before making use of it.

If you connect a USB thumb drive to your computer and it shows up like a disk, you get the functionallity intended. A manufacturer could of course design a thumb drive with a serial interface instead - but do you expect many customers?

We all know how much you hate M$ and how they have "destroyed" the PC. There are many reasons to blame them for a lot of things. But do at least make sure your claims are true when you blame someone for something. Random noise is just random pollution.

Requiring proprietary drivers for hardware just means that your backup station - and the access to the stored data - dies with the computer or with the loss of the controller card. It's the device manufacturers who prefers standard interfaces.

But you do mention SCSI. No difference now from 10 years ago. You select a SCSI card from a large manufacturer, and you get good drivers. You select a card from a tiny, unknown company and you are on your own. But SCSI is SCSI. So the tape drive will still be controlled by SCSI commands. You either send "good" SCSI commands to the drive, or you send "bad" commands. Same as always. And safety hasn't changed when cheaper tape drives got IDE interfaces.

Your "reliable" part is more that many tape softwares used very strange file formats, which meant that you couldn't read the tape contents with other software. So if you Windows machine died, your Linux machine - with same hw connected - couldn't access the data. That is not part of "reliable" backup.

List of 23 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
tape backup replacement            01/01/70 00:00      
   You may find it easier to roll-yer-own            01/01/70 00:00      
      Rubbish            01/01/70 00:00      
         Can you give an example ... just one?            01/01/70 00:00      
            Still not backing borked original claim with any facts            01/01/70 00:00      
            Where's your example? All you have to do is name it ...            01/01/70 00:00      
               HP Ultrium            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Where is the example Richard?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     I haven't found anyone who knows that product            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Still missing examples, and "tiny unknown" biggest on market            01/01/70 00:00      
            Talk to the Device MFG's            01/01/70 00:00      
   Before spying...            01/01/70 00:00      
      documentation            01/01/70 00:00      
         Don't despair!            01/01/70 00:00      
         Old Computer...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Something must be valuable            01/01/70 00:00      
      It's meant to be....            01/01/70 00:00      
         more info            01/01/70 00:00      
            Probably easy to take care of the CRC            01/01/70 00:00      
            So value is in system            01/01/70 00:00      
               Still much we don't know about this project            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Delays            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Take care            01/01/70 00:00      

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