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01/01/10 02:26
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#172089 - Length of chain shouldn't really matter
Responding to: ???'s previous message
1986 isn't long. In reality, it shouldn't matter if you make the chain 10 million diodes long, unless you need to refresh it continuously because you are showing scrolling text or an animation.

The important thing is to have a design that scales. The PSU has to be powerful enough that it can handle the load. Having ten times as many diodes just means that the PSU must be able to handle 10 times larger currents.

And having multiple cables from PSU to diode boards will make sure that the cable capacity will scale.

Having enough capacitors on the driver boards to make sure that the driver chips gets acceptable supply voltages will make sure that the design can scale without need to bother with the total number of boards. Each board just has to be able to hold its own.

You must have acceptable signal quality for the signals to the first board. But it is then up to that board to make sure that the signals are ok to the next board. Being digital, the problems with the clock, data and latch signals should not scale with the length of the chain. The only thing required is that every single step holds its own, and supplies acceptable levels and flanks to the next receiver in the chain.

The only advantage of driving the display with 8 shorter chains instead of one long chain is that the processor can emit a byte at a time, instead of shifting out individual bits. But it doesn't matter to the signal quality.

In the end, the design should make sure that the data reaches through the system with zero transfer errors. The ability to scale infinitely and still having good enough signal quality that you can have zero transfer errors is one of the advantages of a digital world. Just as long as every single step of the chain fulfills levels, setup/hold times, rise/fall times, and each chip is properly powered so its inputs will really be able to operate according to the datasheet.

Having an octopus from the power supply, and having ample of low-ESR capacitors on each board to handle the current ripple is the main thing to focus on.

Have you computed the amount of energy the diodes draws in relation to the switch frequency of the PWM? Are your capacitors big enough and with low enough ESR to feed the diodes for a significant part of a PWM pulse?

List of 96 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
LED Display Panel reliability            01/01/70 00:00      
   Serial out/serial in            01/01/70 00:00      
   you do not say            01/01/70 00:00      
      TB62706BFG            01/01/70 00:00      
   Decision by majority...            01/01/70 00:00      
   I would use CRC            01/01/70 00:00      
      I think you missed the point            01/01/70 00:00      
         Reading back the parallel outputs then?            01/01/70 00:00      
            actually not            01/01/70 00:00      
               "If" it is identical data...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Only the bits in error will generate any flicker            01/01/70 00:00      
                     But he wants perfection!            01/01/70 00:00      
                     all the above            01/01/70 00:00      
                        So, there is a chance for flickering after all?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           If incorrectly designed            01/01/70 00:00      
                  trust and trust            01/01/70 00:00      
                  trust            01/01/70 00:00      
                     layout, layout, layout            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Some hints...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        excellent proposal!            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Principle of function...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Main EMI Source            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Thoughts            01/01/70 00:00      
                              I do not know your part, but ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Duplicate thread            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Replies            01/01/70 00:00      
                              double posted            01/01/70 00:00      
                              reply            01/01/70 00:00      
                           RC-filtering and Schmitt-Triggers will help!            01/01/70 00:00      
                              response to above            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Why???            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    maybe today            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Hardly...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          no            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Wild speculations...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Mahmood            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   No fun to poke about in a fog...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      The clock on top            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   yes            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             He's not required to scroll            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                absolutely, but            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          You're right, Kai, but the frequent refresh costs less            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Again...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                it is, indeed!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   not only then            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      PWM with the TB62706??            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         YES, of course there is            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            Yes, I understand, but...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               Good question            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  Digital potentiometer?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     the problem here is            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                        It seems they can be hooked together...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                           Look at this too...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                              Ok, then show me ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                 And write?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                    :)            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                 Mahmod doesn't have multicolor LEDs!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                    well, what is this then?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                       Question for Mahmod            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                          Looks like...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                          Yes            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                       Why from the same chip???            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                          limiting color choices to 'per chip'            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                             What flexibility?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                                well, if ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                                   Dials            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                                      just to clarify            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                                         Length of chain shouldn't really matter            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                                         Single color LEDs            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                                            Vled only            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                                            Two questions...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                                               Answers            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                                                  What range?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                                                     Blue            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                                                        I would do it like that...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                                                           thanks            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                                                              Why?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                                                                 Board to Board Hopping            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                                                                    Of course...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                                                                    one advantage, the other is ..            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                                                                       Not 40xx Chips As Generic Family            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                                                                          Clock skew?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                                                                             Still very very helpful...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                                                                                There are lower-resistance solutions            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                                                                                   On-resistance is beyond any doubt...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                                                                                      I've used several '66s            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                                                                                         without any opinion of the 4066 option            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                                                                                      I didn't intend to suggest that it was wrong, Kai            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 All the filter is supposed to do is limit the slew rate            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    no, not the slew rate            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Scope plot?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Maybe later on            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Yes, that's true, but his worry was about his clocking            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Great            01/01/70 00:00      
   suggestion            01/01/70 00:00      
   Problem Solved!!!!!!            01/01/70 00:00      

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