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12/29/09 15:46
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#172015 - Yes, that's true, but his worry was about his clocking
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You're absolutely right in that a change in the current flow from Vled to GND is more likely to generate EMI and ground bounce. However, Mahmood's issue apparently is with his clock, and noise on his clock can certainly create undesired effects as well. His circuitry is undoubtedly designed to minimize the noise effects directly caused by his LED array. However, simple current limiting at the current sink can mitigate that. Further, selective clocking, e.g. segregating the various displays and their drivers by using separate clocks offers some beneficial effects. Separately clocking the output register will ensure that the displays don't "update" at the same time, hence, will mitigate the current demand from loading the output register.

If, however, his issue is with a noise-corrupted clock, the very likely source of clocking problems is reflections on the clock itself, which will be mitigated by slew-rate limiting.

Slowing the edges on the clock at the source while monitoring the clock at the destination will reveal the relative effectiveness of his filtering.

Lowering the impedance of the clock line will increase its immunity to any externally induced noise.

Shielding will protect the clock from externally induced effects if it has a relatively long path, particularly if that path is in a cable. If such cabling includes the power supply connections, he'd probably be well-advised to make the power travel by a separate route. If there are multiple connections involved in the cabling in which the clock is transmitted, it would be advisable to clamp the clock to Vdd and Vss with schottky diodes in order to suppress overshoot and the all-too-common ringing that results from the edges of the reflections those discontinuities bring about.

The benefit of each of these schemes is readily observable, so, presumably, Mahmood will take a look and see which of these efforts has the desired effect. While it's likely they'll all offer some benefit, if he starts with the simplest-to-implement and lowest-cost ones, he can see where he stands.

As I've said before, there's no point in allowing the perfect to be the enemy of the satisfactory. Long-term thorough testing will reveal when the thoroughly adequate level has been reached. Engineering is, after all, a matter of compromise.

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LED Display Panel reliability            01/01/70 00:00      
   Serial out/serial in            01/01/70 00:00      
   you do not say            01/01/70 00:00      
      TB62706BFG            01/01/70 00:00      
   Decision by majority...            01/01/70 00:00      
   I would use CRC            01/01/70 00:00      
      I think you missed the point            01/01/70 00:00      
         Reading back the parallel outputs then?            01/01/70 00:00      
            actually not            01/01/70 00:00      
               "If" it is identical data...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Only the bits in error will generate any flicker            01/01/70 00:00      
                     But he wants perfection!            01/01/70 00:00      
                     all the above            01/01/70 00:00      
                        So, there is a chance for flickering after all?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           If incorrectly designed            01/01/70 00:00      
                  trust and trust            01/01/70 00:00      
                  trust            01/01/70 00:00      
                     layout, layout, layout            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Some hints...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        excellent proposal!            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Principle of function...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Main EMI Source            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Thoughts            01/01/70 00:00      
                              I do not know your part, but ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Duplicate thread            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Replies            01/01/70 00:00      
                              double posted            01/01/70 00:00      
                              reply            01/01/70 00:00      
                           RC-filtering and Schmitt-Triggers will help!            01/01/70 00:00      
                              response to above            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Why???            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    maybe today            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Hardly...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          no            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Wild speculations...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Mahmood            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   No fun to poke about in a fog...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      The clock on top            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   yes            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             He's not required to scroll            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                absolutely, but            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          You're right, Kai, but the frequent refresh costs less            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Again...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                it is, indeed!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   not only then            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      PWM with the TB62706??            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         YES, of course there is            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            Yes, I understand, but...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               Good question            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  Digital potentiometer?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     the problem here is            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                        It seems they can be hooked together...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                           Look at this too...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                              Ok, then show me ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                 And write?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                    :)            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                 Mahmod doesn't have multicolor LEDs!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                    well, what is this then?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                       Question for Mahmod            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                          Looks like...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                          Yes            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                       Why from the same chip???            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                          limiting color choices to 'per chip'            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                             What flexibility?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                                well, if ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                                   Dials            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                                      just to clarify            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                                         Length of chain shouldn't really matter            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                                         Single color LEDs            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                                            Vled only            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                                            Two questions...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                                               Answers            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                                                  What range?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                                                     Blue            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                                                        I would do it like that...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                                                           thanks            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                                                              Why?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                                                                 Board to Board Hopping            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                                                                    Of course...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                                                                    one advantage, the other is ..            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                                                                       Not 40xx Chips As Generic Family            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                                                                          Clock skew?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                                                                             Still very very helpful...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                                                                                There are lower-resistance solutions            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                                                                                   On-resistance is beyond any doubt...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                                                                                      I've used several '66s            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                                                                                         without any opinion of the 4066 option            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                                                                                      I didn't intend to suggest that it was wrong, Kai            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 All the filter is supposed to do is limit the slew rate            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    no, not the slew rate            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Scope plot?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Maybe later on            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Yes, that's true, but his worry was about his clocking            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Great            01/01/70 00:00      
   suggestion            01/01/70 00:00      
   Problem Solved!!!!!!            01/01/70 00:00      

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