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06/30/07 15:02
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#141370 - Sorry, quite the opposite is true
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Lynn said:
When tubes clip, the wave form has an abrupt transition into saturation. Transistors have a smoother transition into saturation.

Sorry, just the opposite is true. Tube amplifiers show a relevant distortion already at low output signals. 0.3% distortion at 0.1W into 4Ohm load is typical.

When increasing the output level the distortion increases, but only very smoothly. 1% at 1W/4Ohm and 10% at 10W/4Ohm are typical values.

When further attempting to increase the output signal, also the output transformer begins to clip and a heavy increase of distortion can be seen.

A typical distortion versus output power plot of a tube amplifier looks like this:




This plot is from this link http://www.stereophile.com/integratedamps/398/index6.html

A transistor amplifier, on the other hand, standardly shows very low distortion of about 0.01% to 0.3% over the whole output signal range. Further attempting to increase the output signal results in a sudden, heavy increase of distortion.

Typical distortion versus output power plots look like this:




This plot is from this link http://www.st.com/stonline/products/literature/ds/1451.pdf

Or like this:



This plot is from this link http://www.st.com/stonline/products/literature/ds/8326.pdf


By the way, there are tube amplifiers on the market which show much lower distortion than in the example above. These ones really sound nice.


Lynn said:
As an engineer, I am offended that distortion is a valuable component of music.

Have you ever analyzed the distortion that is produced by a standard loudspeaker when two tones are radiated, caused by the moving membran??


Kai

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               Seems like a good way to proceed            01/01/70 00:00      
                  On the kitchen table? Hardly...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     As I've said before ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        No protoboards Ever            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Millions of engineers use them, since decades!            01/01/70 00:00      
                              That may explain a few things ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Now I see what you mean!            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Why risk problems ?            01/01/70 00:00      
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                                       I think you did...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Way beyond            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    If you see the "spiderweb technology" ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Now we know ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                              not even absurd by what you have posted elsewhere            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Read all posts, before accusing falsely!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    the issue is            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Yes, what is the issue?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    State of the art ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Because of the "Classic Sound"            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          More on Classic Sound            01/01/70 00:00      
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                                                wanggggggg            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Sorry, quite the opposite is true            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Electrostatic speakers anyone ?            01/01/70 00:00      
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               Breadboards are fun!            01/01/70 00:00      
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