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06/23/07 04:35
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#141173 - as an educational tool, perhaps ... but ...
Responding to: ???'s previous message
While one can observe general circuit behaviors, one can't produce or even expect predictable results because of the characteristics of the "ProtoBoard."

Yes, I've learned this "the hard way" attempting to extract meaningful results, building relatively low-frequency circuits such as PLL's, simple op-amp circuits operating at audio rates, but even then, the results were not reproducible, nor were they consistent with what one might expect.

With very careful construction technique, and thorough understanding of the effects introduced by the architecture of these boards, one might, occasionally, produce productive work, but it's not easy. Wires have to be cut to precise minimal lengths, supply leads are always needlessly long, and applying bypass is not always possible without unresonable lead lengths.

I once bought some of the very best "ProtoBoards" but was consistently disappointed with the results, even at low frequency and low power, so I've not used them for anything meaningful in over 25 years. I admit I have used them to demonstrate Schmidt-trigger oscillators, and things of that sort. If one is going to construct a meticulously designed and built circuit, it's much easier, and, most generally, better to make it a permanent fixture on a prototype board with proper ground and power distribution and features that allow a wide range of connector sizes and shapes.

I agree fully, that I'd want to use wires with 1.5-3 mm insulation if I were going to be fooling around with 400 volts.

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max voltage for breadboard            01/01/70 00:00      
   What is a \"standard\" breadboard?            01/01/70 00:00      
      Breadboards can be extremely useful!            01/01/70 00:00      
         as an educational tool, perhaps ... but ...            01/01/70 00:00      
            Breadboarding helped me a lot!            01/01/70 00:00      
               Seems like a good way to proceed            01/01/70 00:00      
                  On the kitchen table? Hardly...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     As I've said before ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        No protoboards Ever            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Millions of engineers use them, since decades!            01/01/70 00:00      
                              That may explain a few things ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Now I see what you mean!            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Why risk problems ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 I don't see a risk...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Speed            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       I think you did...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Way beyond            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    If you see the "spiderweb technology" ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Now we know ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                              not even absurd by what you have posted elsewhere            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Read all posts, before accusing falsely!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    the issue is            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Yes, what is the issue?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    State of the art ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Because of the "Classic Sound"            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          More on Classic Sound            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             classic sound            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                wanggggggg            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Sorry, quite the opposite is true            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Electrostatic speakers anyone ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Amen, Amen and Amen            01/01/70 00:00      
               Breadboards are fun!            01/01/70 00:00      
                  jitters            01/01/70 00:00      

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