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05/04/06 13:39
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#115576 - expensive is not always expensive
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Coating of antistatic material on the belts or rollers will not help at all, because the charge is still generated (concretely spoken separated). Only by doping the material of which the belts and rollers are made by conducting material like carbon or graphit will cure the problem. Then, the charge separating mechanism is "short-circuited" and charge can no longer be seperated. But such belts and rollers are expensive!

expensive is not always expensive. I have seen many cases where "avoiding the expensive" has cost more than what was avoided.

How are the treadmill users feeling about getting whacked by static
How are the treadmill users feeling about the sudden malfunctions

what if the end result is 2 units sold instead of 2000 units - yes, you have 'saved' the cost a proper belt but you are out of business.

I think that here we have a case I have seen several times before: someone see something and the price tag.
The first reaction is "I can make that for 1/10 the price".
The second reaction should be "there must be a reason it is that expensive, let me find out"
The second reaction often is "I'll build it"

What we are seing here is the difference between design ability and "know-how"

Erik

List of 99 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
ESD problem            01/01/70 00:00      
   try isolating signal gnd from earth            01/01/70 00:00      
      thanks richard            01/01/70 00:00      
         Watchdog not really useful            01/01/70 00:00      
            hi kalpak            01/01/70 00:00      
            re watchdog, never said better            01/01/70 00:00      
               hi steve            01/01/70 00:00      
                  that will NOT help            01/01/70 00:00      
                     hello erik sir            01/01/70 00:00      
                        activating the the watchdog while error            01/01/70 00:00      
                           hello erik sir            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Pick off brush ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 yes            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    this may help            01/01/70 00:00      
                              So what?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Ouch            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    protecting the human            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       But..            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    And what if...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       ESDĀ¬precautions            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          static            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Not from 10mm away!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Bad ground            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Earthing problem!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                It was observed...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             TAKE CARE!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Is your design based on luck?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             how do I            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Some instructions and guideline            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Thank You steve sir            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      two reasons not to            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Posting Diagrams            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   It's a pdf-file            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      Where?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         Oh, sorry!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            Filename            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               Name            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  Post it to me.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     Link            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                        Perfectly!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                           How            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                              Aha...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                        fix it and repost            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                           Buttons?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                              No            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   sorry            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      Try            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      the simple way is            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      Thank you            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         For those who need a link to the code            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            after seeing the link            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         So, now you understand why "all of you o            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      Can't open cdr-files            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      Some questions?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         Yes you are right            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            oops            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            Test            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               Yes            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  stop the frtiggin babble!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     I guess            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                        Photographs ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                           steve sir            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                              No photographs ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                 Sorry            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                        so, it is OUR job            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                           I had            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                              Ground, earth, soil,...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                 Spark gaps ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                    maybe he was, but ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                    Good for surges, but for ESD?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                    Thank you            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            Some more questions            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               Yes            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  Frame, rollers bearings            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     Kai, is it time?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                        Hallelujah!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            The mess with...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            Semi isolating semi conducting enclosure            01/01/70 00:00      
      I can't see why...            01/01/70 00:00      
         I never understood why either, but ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Measurement            01/01/70 00:00      
   Forget the watchdog!            01/01/70 00:00      
      kai sir            01/01/70 00:00      
         Hallo?            01/01/70 00:00      
      kai sir            01/01/70 00:00      
         What do you expect from a watchdog?            01/01/70 00:00      
            Unpleasant.            01/01/70 00:00      
               Which is why I doubt it is ESD            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Curiouser and curiouser            01/01/70 00:00      
               instruments            01/01/70 00:00      
                  you can't            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Diagnosis ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     the difference can be 'legal'            01/01/70 00:00      
      expensive is not always expensive            01/01/70 00:00      
         Exactly!            01/01/70 00:00      
            Killing shock ?            01/01/70 00:00      
               Who says that...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Trying to improve the performance...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Thank you kai sir            01/01/70 00:00      

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