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05/04/06 01:41
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#115514 - Forget the watchdog!
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Rucha said:
I am using every kind of possible static protection techniques like i have coating of antistatic material on the belt.

The develop of this kind of electro-static charge in plants, where belts are running on rollers, both made of rubber or plastics can be very very dangerous, can even kill people and cause fire! This principle of separating charge and generating high voltage by belts and rollers made of rubber is even used in fundamental physics to produce millions of volts, by a machine that is called Van de Graaff generator, to accelerate charged fundamental particles!

Coating of antistatic material on the belts or rollers will not help at all, because the charge is still generated (concretely spoken separated). Only by doping the material of which the belts and rollers are made by conducting material like carbon or graphit will cure the problem. Then, the charge separating mechanism is "short-circuited" and charge can no longer be seperated. But such belts and rollers are expensive!

Rucha said:
But my problem is i am using microcontroller AT89S52 for automation of the treadmill and when static event occurs the chip goes hung and so no programming is effective
do you [corrected, originally "u"] think watchdog can help?

Forget the watchdog!
Such a microcontroller is a higly dynamically working thing. Even when looking like a statically working chip, several microroutines are running internally all the time, which can easily be interfered by injecting noise into the port lines or supply pins, right what an ESD-event does. So, when the micro hangs-up, due to an ESD-event, this does not mean, that you can make it commence properly by simply resetting it. Remember, a hanging micro is a chip totally running ill, becoming hot and being in danger to be destroyed! The only way to terminate the hang-up is to power-down the micro and power-up it again! And this cannot be done by a watchdog. More, if really ESD contaminates your application, you will even run into danger to end with a hung-up watchdog too...

ESD is normally fought against by a three level strategy:

1. Preventing electro-static charge from being generated.

For instance, by exclusively using antistatic material, means doped rubber or plastic (see above).

2. Shunting the (unavoidable) ESD-events arround the mirco, by offering it a low impedant path to protection earth, where all the ESD-events finally want to travel to.

Protect each line running to the micro by connecting a ceradiode, transzorb or varistor to signal ground, while the signal ground is connected to enlosure by a capacitor. When the enclosure is now connected to protection earth (green-yelllow PE-cable), by this way the ESD-events are shunted to protection earth, before entering the micro's board. So, do this right at the switches or lines, just where the according signals enter the enclosure. And remember, ESD has strong harmonics in the GHz-range, so every millimeter counts!!! This means, that normallay SMD parts must be used for all this filtering and protecting stuff and that ultra short connections have to be provided!!

3. Filtering of the remaining energy of ESD-events, that couldn't be totally shunted to enclosure.

Simple RC-low pass filters or ferrite beads can limit the remaining ESD-energy hitting the micro to a sane level, no longer allowing the micro to hang-up.

Kai

List of 99 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
ESD problem            01/01/70 00:00      
   try isolating signal gnd from earth            01/01/70 00:00      
      thanks richard            01/01/70 00:00      
         Watchdog not really useful            01/01/70 00:00      
            hi kalpak            01/01/70 00:00      
            re watchdog, never said better            01/01/70 00:00      
               hi steve            01/01/70 00:00      
                  that will NOT help            01/01/70 00:00      
                     hello erik sir            01/01/70 00:00      
                        activating the the watchdog while error            01/01/70 00:00      
                           hello erik sir            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Pick off brush ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 yes            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    this may help            01/01/70 00:00      
                              So what?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Ouch            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    protecting the human            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       But..            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    And what if...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       ESDĀ¬precautions            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          static            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Not from 10mm away!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Bad ground            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Earthing problem!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                It was observed...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             TAKE CARE!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Is your design based on luck?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             how do I            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Some instructions and guideline            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Thank You steve sir            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      two reasons not to            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Posting Diagrams            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   It's a pdf-file            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      Where?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         Oh, sorry!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            Filename            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               Name            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  Post it to me.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     Link            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                        Perfectly!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                           How            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                              Aha...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                        fix it and repost            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                           Buttons?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                              No            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   sorry            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      Try            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      the simple way is            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      Thank you            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         For those who need a link to the code            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            after seeing the link            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         So, now you understand why "all of you o            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      Can't open cdr-files            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      Some questions?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         Yes you are right            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            oops            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            Test            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               Yes            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  stop the frtiggin babble!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     I guess            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                        Photographs ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                           steve sir            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                              No photographs ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                 Sorry            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                        so, it is OUR job            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                           I had            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                              Ground, earth, soil,...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                 Spark gaps ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                    maybe he was, but ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                    Good for surges, but for ESD?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                    Thank you            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            Some more questions            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               Yes            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  Frame, rollers bearings            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     Kai, is it time?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                        Hallelujah!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            The mess with...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            Semi isolating semi conducting enclosure            01/01/70 00:00      
      I can't see why...            01/01/70 00:00      
         I never understood why either, but ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Measurement            01/01/70 00:00      
   Forget the watchdog!            01/01/70 00:00      
      kai sir            01/01/70 00:00      
         Hallo?            01/01/70 00:00      
      kai sir            01/01/70 00:00      
         What do you expect from a watchdog?            01/01/70 00:00      
            Unpleasant.            01/01/70 00:00      
               Which is why I doubt it is ESD            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Curiouser and curiouser            01/01/70 00:00      
               instruments            01/01/70 00:00      
                  you can't            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Diagnosis ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     the difference can be 'legal'            01/01/70 00:00      
      expensive is not always expensive            01/01/70 00:00      
         Exactly!            01/01/70 00:00      
            Killing shock ?            01/01/70 00:00      
               Who says that...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Trying to improve the performance...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Thank you kai sir            01/01/70 00:00      

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