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02/24/10 06:44
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#173507 - I've been in a lot of cars ... many rentals ...
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Hal Albach said:
Andy, you are correct, there is an "off" position between "on" and locked, where the key can be removed, but does not require the actual removal of the key to lock the column.
When this event occured my safety and the safety of the people around me was foremost in my mind and I felt that trying to manipulate the ignition key to the "Off" only position and possibly locking the the steering column while in heavy traffic would have been too risky.


I'm not able to remember even one model of car that operates/operated in this way. IIRC they've always had an off position in which they didn't power the radio or blowers, nor did they energize the ignition, but neither locked nor allowed removal of the key in that position. One always had to turn the key farther in order to remove it, even before the key had any association with steering column lock. I remember someone once attempted to steal my '53 Chevrolet but wasn't able to start it, yet they could steer it down the hill while it was locked, simply by taking it out of the PARK position. It was a "210" model with the "150" being the lowest, and the Bel-Air being the highest that was offered. I don't believe I've ever driven a car in which turning off the ignition wouldn't stop the engine, yet wouldn't lock the steering.

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Car cruise Control            01/01/70 00:00      
   Cruise            01/01/70 00:00      
   I wouldn't            01/01/70 00:00      
      I agree...            01/01/70 00:00      
         It's a common homework problem for hardware guys ...            01/01/70 00:00      
            maybe not homework            01/01/70 00:00      
               it's part of several HDL short-courses            01/01/70 00:00      
      Toyota            01/01/70 00:00      
         years of experience            01/01/70 00:00      
            more likely            01/01/70 00:00      
               maybe            01/01/70 00:00      
   at embeeds.com            01/01/70 00:00      
      Doesn't make it any safer!            01/01/70 00:00      
         Terrifying experience            01/01/70 00:00      
            RE: kill the ignition            01/01/70 00:00      
               Steering lock            01/01/70 00:00      
                  RE: Steering lock            01/01/70 00:00      
                     about those runaways ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        I think I heard about that.            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Audi            01/01/70 00:00      
                        the clue            01/01/70 00:00      
                           I didn't own a TV in that part of the '80's ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                              sell Toyota            01/01/70 00:00      
                     not locked until the key is removed            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Column Lock            01/01/70 00:00      
                        I've been in a lot of cars ... many rentals ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Opposite            01/01/70 00:00      
                              just to be clear            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Armchair pundits            01/01/70 00:00      
                        No, that's not what I meant            01/01/70 00:00      
                           4-position ignition switch            01/01/70 00:00      
                              It is on mine!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 yes            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Safety issue            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       It's just a cost issue.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          power steering and power brakes            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Good things steering and brakes aren't "by wire".            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                RE: "by wire"            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Accelerator "by-wire"            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      Failure Modes            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Not really            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Brakes            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                power braking doesn't stop immediately            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Not all            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Opposite            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       why a safety issue?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Obviously            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             quote under discussion            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                The point is...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Where is the fail-safe?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      That is one of Tyotas fixes            01/01/70 00:00      
            new brakes            01/01/70 00:00      
            Neutral            01/01/70 00:00      
               RE: Neutral            01/01/70 00:00      
                  I don't have one.            01/01/70 00:00      
      now imagine ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   What kind of car ?            01/01/70 00:00      
      past information about the OP            01/01/70 00:00      
         Oh NO NO NO..I do not want to get into this...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Oh, he would            01/01/70 00:00      
         I'm not so sure            01/01/70 00:00      
   A Cross Pigeon            01/01/70 00:00      

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