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02/26/08 12:01
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#151478 - this is a different form of security
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Oliver Sedlacek said:
There are a number of specialist secure micros on the market, mostly aimed at 'chip-and-pin' and smartcard applications. Maxim-Dallas do some, and it's well worth reading their security notes, such as app note 3824


The Dallas chips implement a slightly different form of security than the smartcards.
What Dallas is attempting to do is a device which is always alive and can actively monitor its environment, where the vulnerable parts sit. This is an order of magnitude more complex (read: expensive) than the "passive" forms of security.

Oh, and even they did it wrong - see the famous Markus Kuhn's thesis.

What we need is most of the time the smartcard-type security, i.e. preventing code extraction on a device fully available to the intruder.

JW


List of 22 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
Obtaining maximum code security            01/01/70 00:00      
   Worth it ?            01/01/70 00:00      
      Protection with Patents            01/01/70 00:00      
   the value... again...            01/01/70 00:00      
      "OCR"ing a Design            01/01/70 00:00      
   It's a brave man            01/01/70 00:00      
      Specialist secure micros            01/01/70 00:00      
         this is a different form of security            01/01/70 00:00      
         Huge NREs?            01/01/70 00:00      
            What if you don't bond out nPSEN?            01/01/70 00:00      
               why not drop !EA            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Don't Drop !EA!            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Couldn\'t you do that in another way            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Eliminating /EA            01/01/70 00:00      
               The value of PSEN            01/01/70 00:00      
            not only...            01/01/70 00:00      
               Brute-force copying            01/01/70 00:00      
                  well, maybe...            01/01/70 00:00      
            Erase on tamper detect            01/01/70 00:00      
   Make the chip hard to access            01/01/70 00:00      
      It's quite impractical...            01/01/70 00:00      
   few thousand dollars ... Not at all            01/01/70 00:00      

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