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09/12/07 13:03
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#144451 - I disagree somewhat
Responding to: ???'s previous message
I disagree. When someone says "Don't do multitasking on an 8051," that person obviously knows there's a wide range of 8051's to choose from. It's not the 8051 architecture that dictates whether or not multitasking is reasonable, it's potentially the speed and/or the amount of memory available. Not the architecture.

I disagree somewhat. The 'standard' RTOS mechanism is the functon pointer and the implications of squeezing that into the '51 are well known. The function pointer itself is just one of the problems, the fact that, for efficiency, you need "call tree allocation" of function parametres instead of the 'standard' "put them on the stack" makes the whole thing a total mess.

Thus, to implement a full fledged RTOS on a '51 you need to bastardize the architecture with an artificial stack in XDATA and, eventually you end up that the 'speed demon' you bought becomes a slowpoke.

Does all this mean that a RTOS is "wrong" for the '51?, of course not BUT it means that choosing to use a RTOS should not be an out of the gate decision.

Erik



List of 44 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
ABOUT THE REAL TIME OS            01/01/70 00:00      
   Do you really need it?            01/01/70 00:00      
      Seconds thoughts            01/01/70 00:00      
         but it's a 51 on steroids!... and some philosophy            01/01/70 00:00      
            Definitions            01/01/70 00:00      
               I use the p89c51rd2            01/01/70 00:00      
               It is the architecture            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Mutlitasking on the OS            01/01/70 00:00      
                     I think I said something similar...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     please tell which            01/01/70 00:00      
                        extended stack in SRAM            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Stack expanded to MOVX            01/01/70 00:00      
                  another architecture shortcoming            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Independent of multitasking?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        HUH??            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Clarification            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Identity crisis            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Oops            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 No crisis here            01/01/70 00:00      
                           My question clarified            01/01/70 00:00      
                              "stack inefficiency"            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Stack            01/01/70 00:00      
               I disagree somewhat            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Multitasking            01/01/70 00:00      
   I think I need it!            01/01/70 00:00      
      no, you do not            01/01/70 00:00      
         I have made a PLC complier for MCS-51 by VB.            01/01/70 00:00      
            Multi-use timers            01/01/70 00:00      
               Could you help me?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  No            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Software timers            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Linked Lists            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Linked Lists for Software Timers            01/01/70 00:00      
               I do not know how to do?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Use software timers            01/01/70 00:00      
                     how to use it point to task.            01/01/70 00:00      
                        what is "a task" in your application?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        What task??            01/01/70 00:00      
                  stop running            01/01/70 00:00      
      Unlilely            01/01/70 00:00      
   DS89C450 can handle the RTOS?            01/01/70 00:00      
      PLCs            01/01/70 00:00      
         Russell got it            01/01/70 00:00      
         Thanks russell!            01/01/70 00:00      

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