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#187466 - Where can one learn Intermediate C techniques for 8051
C is really frustrating on the 8051, and I'm not sure how to get more proficient. There are many examples which teach basics (here is the memory map, this is a register/timer/port, etc), but where can the intermediate 8051 c programmer turn to see how to structure 8051 applications to overcome the the complexities that emerge in larger code bases (32k - 64k range)? And how about testing strategies for those applications? Unit testing with something like Unity?

Here's a stupid example with 4 possible implementations of a table look-up function:

typedef unsigned char U8;
typedef unsigned char S8;
typedef unsigned int U16;

#define NUMBER_OF_GROUPS 9
#define UNITS_PER_GROUP  8

unsigned char code ID_TBL[NUMBER_OF_GROUPS * UNITS_PER_GROUP] = {
    0x01, 0x02, 0x03, 0x04, 0x65, 0x66, 0x67, 0x68, /* Group 01 */
    0x05, 0x06, 0x07, 0x08, 0x69, 0x70, 0x71, 0x72, /* Group 02 */
    0x09, 0x10, 0x11, 0x12, 0x73, 0x74, 0x75, 0x76, /* Group 03	*/
    0x13, 0x14, 0x15, 0x16, 0x77, 0x78, 0x79, 0x80, /* Group 04	*/
    0x17, 0x18, 0x19, 0x20, 0x81, 0x82, 0x83, 0x84, /* Group 05 */
    0x21, 0x22, 0x23, 0x24, 0x85, 0x86, 0x87, 0x88, /* Group 06 */
    0x25, 0x26, 0x27, 0x28, 0x89, 0x90, 0x91, 0x92, /* Group 07 */
    0x29, 0x30, 0x31, 0x32, 0x93, 0x94, 0x95, 0x96, /* Group 08 */
    0x33, 0x34, 0x35, 0x36, 0x37, 0x38, 0x39, 0x40	/* Group 09 */
};

typedef struct {
    U8 num;
    U16 price;
    U8 num_units;
    U8 unit_status;
    /* char code *name; */
} group_t;


/* code size = 19 bytes */
U8 get_unit_id1(group_t xdata *pgr, U8 unit_indx)
{
    U8 idata x;

    x = (pgr->num - 1) * UNITS_PER_GROUP;
    return ID_TBL[x + unit_indx];
}

/* code size = 20 bytes */
U8 get_unit_id2(group_t xdata *pgr, U8 unit_indx)
{
    U8 idata x;

    x = ((pgr->num - 1) * UNITS_PER_GROUP) + unit_indx;
    return ID_TBL[x];
}

/* code size = 25 bytes */
U8 get_unit_id3(group_t xdata *pgr, U8 unit_indx)
{
    U8 idata x;

    x = pgr->num - 1;
    x *= UNITS_PER_GROUP;
    x += unit_indx;
    x = ID_TBL[x];
    return x;
}

/* code size = 33 bytes */
U8 get_unit_id4(group_t xdata *pgr, U8 unit_indx)
{
    return ID_TBL[((pgr->num - 1) * UNITS_PER_GROUP) + unit_indx];
}

 


At any compiler optimization level (Keil C51 V9.01) the same logical code could cost you between 19 and 33 bytes of code depending on how you feel like writing it. Interestingly, the most "idiomatic" C way costs the most, which has been my experience trying to implement C techniques on the 8051. And all of this is just for a "simple" look-up.

The frustrating part is I'm not exactly sure what I'm supposed to learn from this exercise, since the various cases are just various attempts to use lower level constructs in order to help the compiler out. It is certainly not obvious what the best (meaning efficient use of code space in this context) approach might be in other cases. The answer seems to be that one must fiddle with absolutely everything one writes to see what the compiler will give in the specific circumstance. It's good advise, but very distracting when trying to solve the actual application problem.

However, the real point of this example was that one must start asking questions such as "Why don't you just expose the table directly?", and "Is passing around pointers to structs even necessary for this application?". These are the questions that I don't know how to answer. They are really design decision questions which will affect hundreds of little implementation decisions like the example above.

How does one effectively learn the very specific craft of 8051 C programming absent some kind of mentor or larger well-written 8051 projects to study?

List of 33 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
Where can one learn Intermediate C techniques for 8051            01/01/70 00:00      
   on the right track            01/01/70 00:00      
      one more thing            01/01/70 00:00      
         Not uncommon bid bad coding standards to comply with            01/01/70 00:00      
         Not afraid of globals, but...            01/01/70 00:00      
   More keil optimizer interesting tidbits            01/01/70 00:00      
      optimization            01/01/70 00:00      
      nothing gained, nothing lost            01/01/70 00:00      
         I don't            01/01/70 00:00      
            you can do both            01/01/70 00:00      
               That is not helping the compiler            01/01/70 00:00      
                  exact same            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Technically, they are not the same            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Hmmm...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        C don't do full evaluation of logical expressions            01/01/70 00:00      
                           In discrete mathematics proving one is not a proof            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Lazy evaluation demanded            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 I have learned something new because of this            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    me too            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Very Important            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Breaks.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Compile the code            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    To be more exact            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Stop It!!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          That is exactly what I intended            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Switch Break.            01/01/70 00:00      
               obfusciating code to help the compiler is a VERY bad idea            01/01/70 00:00      
                  the source of this            01/01/70 00:00      
   Where can one learn Intermediate C techniques for 8051            01/01/70 00:00      
   Getting the least out of your compiler            01/01/70 00:00      
      Maybe IAR should follow their own advice?            01/01/70 00:00      
         provided the case ...            01/01/70 00:00      
            Compilers not knowing the target chip.            01/01/70 00:00      

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