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09/14/11 18:46
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#183762 - Did you compare used/unused segments?
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Erik Malund said:
My microwave ...
But of course VFD aren't alone with loss of intensity.,


I remember some dirt cheap (~$5 in quantity) VFDs we decided not to use, for whatever reason. "dirt cheap" usually is what is installed in things like microwaves.

the company is making professional equipment and the VFDs were in the $50 range in quantity.

that may explain the different experiences

Erik


I can't say I see any qualitative difference VFD in the $1000 microwave, or the $4500 surround amp or some of the $100 gear I have. The better gear is better at protecting the VFD since they measure surrounding light levels and drops the intensity to a trickle during the night. But they are almost uniformly normally look quite good until an unused segment is lit. I kind of guess that you can't just buy more expensive phosphor to gain extra life. While it isn't the same type of phosphor as used in a CRT, we still know that even high-end CRT monitors sold for $5000-$10000 or more suffers from the phosphor efficiency fading with time.

What you can do with a VFD, is adapt the filament voltage to maintain the visible intensity as the display gets older. But it isn't easy/cheap to individually adjust the intensity for each segment. So even if an expensive VFD can compensate for loss of intensity, you can still see a clear difference in segment intensities when you light a little-used segment.

Anyway - having a timer-controlled or feedback-controlled system to increase the drive as a display gets older is used in lots of different display technologies. It is a requirement for OLED displays, since red, green and blue fades at different speed. So without correction, an OLED would not just get dimmer, but would start to show larger and larger color errors.

To the end user, it doesn't much matter if the display type can maintain the intensity because of magic physical properties, or if it can look mostly the same because of hardware correction logic. Most people don't look close enough at power consumption to consider that the fading is compensated while increasing the total power losses.

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LCD for 3V system            01/01/70 00:00      
   digikey            01/01/70 00:00      
      Thanks            01/01/70 00:00      
         mouser            01/01/70 00:00      
         re digikey            01/01/70 00:00      
          it's a pain to buy through them in the UK            01/01/70 00:00      
            VAT            01/01/70 00:00      
               VAT            01/01/70 00:00      
                  VAT            01/01/70 00:00      
   This any good?            01/01/70 00:00      
      Different results???            01/01/70 00:00      
         Try...            01/01/70 00:00      
            Comes up with 14 results for me            01/01/70 00:00      
   5V LCD on 3V System            01/01/70 00:00      
      Let me add.....            01/01/70 00:00      
         if it's a hobby project...            01/01/70 00:00      
      fine, if you do not            01/01/70 00:00      
         For Software Controlled Strobing...            01/01/70 00:00      
      No 5V rail            01/01/70 00:00      
      No 5V rail            01/01/70 00:00      
         I do not know if ...            01/01/70 00:00      
            Wonderful            01/01/70 00:00      
               how about this            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Slow but huge matrix display?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Infernoptix            01/01/70 00:00      
                        That looks fun!            01/01/70 00:00      
            Battery powered, not even a backlight            01/01/70 00:00      
               have they got the lifetime reasonable by now            01/01/70 00:00      
                  You can do way better than that.            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Big improvement            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Per, can we have a link to a datasheet, please            01/01/70 00:00      
                           What's 'a typical lifetime'            01/01/70 00:00      
                              grabbing an example            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 But this all settles back to ....            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 All depends on needs            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    not my experience            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Side by Side            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          observations            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             You need side-by-side comparison or instruments for 10%            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                I think I got it            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Did you compare used/unused segments?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Intensity loss depends on designed 100% intensity            01/01/70 00:00      

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