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05/01/11 12:52
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#182139 - You're right, but that wasn't the point
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Per Westermark said:
Richard Erlacher said:
The NSC-recommended value (from and old app-note) was 6000 uF/volt-of-ripple/ampere of current, [...]

That formula wasn't so easy to read.

Normal evaluation rules would be to perform division from left to right, so
(600uF/ripple)/current.

That would imply that the cap can be smaller when more ripple is accepted.
But it would also imply that the cap can be smaller for higher current - while higher current gives larger ripple...
death through the cap faster.

IIRC, the point of the expression is just exactly that ... If you increase the output current, the ripple is increased. The point of that is that one must know what the tolerable ripple at the input is. That means that one has to know what the unregulated input looks like at the desired load. It's a somewhat confusing thing to consider, but, given all the correct information, it produces a reasonable estimate of the minimal input capacitance.

It also tells you that if you can tolerate larger input ripple, a smaller input cap will do the job adequately. What it doesn't address is the heat (power) dissipated in the regulator if you have so much "overhead".

When I first had to wrestle with these issues, 5-volt output was generally the desired result, and any raw input voltage, at rated current, in excess of the required 7.5 volts was considered excessive. Of course, we needed between 10 and 20 amperes for a sizeable system back then.

Times have changed, but not the requirement for input filtering.

So then we end up with 6000uf/(ripple/current) which is not the left-to-right evaluation order, and often rewritten 6000uf*current/ripple.

People should really not chain multiple division operators after each other without parentheses.


Well, I recall numerous discussions of just exactly that matter. I don't recall the details. After all, we were trying to come up with a standard way of sizing input filter cap's. How NSC stated their recommendation wasn't as important at the time as was their syntax. Perhaps it should have gotten more attention.

BTW, the bulk of the capacitance generally was an electrolytic capacitor, though NSC, at that time, liked small (2.2 uF) tantalum caps.

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List of 11 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
LDO/Capacitor            01/01/70 00:00      
   It seems...            01/01/70 00:00      
   there's an old "standard" ...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Any other LDO            01/01/70 00:00      
         LP38502, LP38692, ...            01/01/70 00:00      
            Thanks            01/01/70 00:00      
      Formula and parentheses            01/01/70 00:00      
         You're right, but that wasn't the point            01/01/70 00:00      
            Did you actually read?            01/01/70 00:00      
               I did read it, but incorrectly            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Easy to go wrong with multiple divisions            01/01/70 00:00      

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