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01/27/10 03:25
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#172749 - so ... Erik ... what's your point?
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Erik Malund said:
The ATMEL pirece oscillators work as well as anyone's, but those don't work well at the 3rd harmonic.

Few of them work well at frequencies much above 20 MHz and, AFAIK, none at all at 3rd overtone.

as Kai (an Atmel fan, if I recall) stated some of the (newer?) Atmel chips do not work well at higher frequencies even with a fundamental crystal

There is (as far as I know) no '51 derivative, Atmel or not, that oscillates at the overtone with an overtone crystal.

... and that's exactly why one might want to try a crystal oscillator.

Anyhow, in these EMI concerned days I much prefer to work with a PLL equipped derivative if a higher frequency is required.

Erik

PS as seen in http://www.8052.com/forum/read/172729 I am definitely not trying to start a food fight.


I doubt that EMI is a large concern for the O/P who's simply experimenting with his first 805x. A crystal oscillator will verify the oscillator/performance ratio that he was trying to verify. A crystal oscillator will always work, irrespective of who manufactured the MCU. As Kai has pointed out in past writings, the crystal oscillator circuit built into the MCU doesn't always behave as expected, particularly when the capacitors aren't properly sized.

Further, I seriously doubt that the O/P is at all interested, at least at this stage, in what preferences you might have. He's clearly stated what he wanted to do, and you, Erik, haven't suggested anything that might help.

RE





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execution speed and crystal frequency            01/01/70 00:00      
   my guess is ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   overtone            01/01/70 00:00      
   As others already mentioned...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Indeed overtone            01/01/70 00:00      
         Just try the crystal with 15pF + 15pF caps.            01/01/70 00:00      
   Try it with a crystal oscillator, rather than a crystal            01/01/70 00:00      
      baloney            01/01/70 00:00      
         Baloney #2            01/01/70 00:00      
         Where is your head wedged, Erik?            01/01/70 00:00      
            just correcting invalid info            01/01/70 00:00      
               SO ... What, exactly, is incorrect?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  already stated            01/01/70 00:00      
                     You are showing us how smart you are again, Erik!            01/01/70 00:00      
                        not my intention, but thanks for the compliment            01/01/70 00:00      
         Richard is right...            01/01/70 00:00      
            I do not use these and ....            01/01/70 00:00      
               Fact is ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  as Kai stated            01/01/70 00:00      
                     so ... Erik ... what's your point?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        I did            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Once again, Erik, you've missed the point            01/01/70 00:00      
                              YOU would sell a suicide candidate a rope            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 come on...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     come on...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Specifying Quartz Crystals            01/01/70 00:00      

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