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#182189 - Sensitivity since lack of "mass" to uphold frequency Responding to: ???'s previous message |
The voltages where a gate input switches from low-to-high or high-to-low is affected by any noise on GND or VCC.
And the chips consumes extra power during switching. Two oscillators running at different frequencies will have a resulting interference frequency, i.e. they will regularly get turn on/off times close to each other. And at these times, they are very sensitive to influences on GND and VCC. If the "bumps" on VCC/GND are long enough to span the difference in half-period time then the two oscillators can quickly force each other into getting in lock-step. The closer the two frequencies are, the harder it is to manage to filter the supply enough that they will not interfere. The capacitor in a RC circuit doesn't have any real "mass" forcing a constant frequency. If the gate switches 10mV earlier, the capacitor will happily accept that the circuit switched between charge/discharge that bit earlier so the frequency change can happen very quickly. In the case of the pendulums, there is a mass in the system, so they required some time to transfer energy between each other before they managed to tune in to the same common resonance frequency of a single "super-pendulum". An electronic design that have some form of "mass" can better manage the bumps in VCC/GND at the interference frequency. They still get their own frequency affected - there is more jitter in the output frequency - but the two oscillators must be much closer together in frequency for them to jump into lock-step. |
Topic | Author | Date |
An excellent demonstration of coupling between oscillators | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
Many many years ago... | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
You don't suppose that was for a reason, do you? | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
Sensitivity since lack of "mass" to uphold frequency | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
Even in well-filtered applications ... | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
Ground bounce... | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
Length of gnd/vcc "bumps" in relation to period difference | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
That was an interesting problem | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
Signetics (later as Philips) made 74HC7046 | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
That's a really nice demo | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
One of many | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
On a similar note | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
No coupling | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
Very nice... | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
Easy if they have a screw adjustment + web cam | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
It remembers me... | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
huh? | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
Just different location of screw adjustmenton clock pendulum | 01/01/70 00:00 |