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05/18/09 17:33
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#165466 - Mains applications can behave nasty when measuring...
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Per said:
Have you tried to look at all signals with a reasonably fast digital scope, setting the scope to trig for signals outside the normal range?

Sometimes the additional connection to a scope (with its separate connection to protective earth!) can add a new set of problems. At least, when measuring mains related stuff. Ideal here would be the use of a battery powered scope.

Per said:
ATX power supplies are very sensitive to voltage drops, compared to the older AT power supplies. In this case, the start currents for the motors could give problems.

Oh yes, that's true! These SMPS can behave quite terribly. Mains voltage dips can cause spikes and overvoltages at the regulated output voltages!
When measuring the regulated voltages with a scope, the PC's and scope's mains wires should be plugged into the same mains socket, next to another. This will minimize the effect of voltage drops across the protective earth wire between them, eventually caused by motor currents running through a mains filter with Y-caps.

A good idea is also to use a digital voltmeter with peak reading feature. Even if the dips or spikes are too narrow to show a precise result, the meter will at least be able to detect occuring fluctuations in most cases, indicating that there's something wrong.

Kai

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TV Tracking            01/01/70 00:00      
   TV camera properly shielded and grounded?            01/01/70 00:00      
      TV camera properly shielded and grounded?            01/01/70 00:00      
         Filters....            01/01/70 00:00      
            What have you tried to figure out the problematic path?            01/01/70 00:00      
               Mains applications can behave nasty when measuring...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  USB-driven scope can be good to have            01/01/70 00:00      
   conclusion,Thanks steve,kai and per            01/01/70 00:00      
      Test first, then decide how to continue            01/01/70 00:00      
      An UPS will only help for the moment...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Surely            01/01/70 00:00      
            Visiting.            01/01/70 00:00      
               Test with ferrites too            01/01/70 00:00      
               your' welcome            01/01/70 00:00      
            Hmmm            01/01/70 00:00      
               Yes...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Thanks            01/01/70 00:00      

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